FOX-NEWS
28.11.2004, 10:59 |
OT: Neutronenbomben-Einsatz im IRAQ Thread gesperrt |
-->Jetzt auch auf FREACE:
http://www.freace.de/artikel/200411/281104a.html
Die"Generation PISA"(TM)(C) in Aktion! Selten habe ich so einen Schwachsinn gelesen.
NEUTRONENBOMBE:
Eine Bombe, die auf Grund ihrer Konstruktion physikalische Strukturen intakt lässt und biologische durch Strahlungswirkung tötet.
Realisieren lässt sich dies bis heute nur durch eine auf Strahlung optimierte Fusionsbombe. Als Initialzünder dient ein Fissionssprengsatz (min. 10KT - 10'000 Tonnen TNT Sprengkraft), um den ein entsprechend angepasster Fusionskörper gelegt wird. Resultierend entsteht eine Sprengwirkung eines 100-300 KT Sprengsatzes mit Strahlungswirkung im Megatonnenbereich. Gezündet wird 500-1000 m über dem Boden. Der tödliche Radius beträgt 15-30 Km.
Sollten die Jungs in Los Alamos in der Lage sein, die Sache um den Faktor 10 zu verkleinern, so bleibt immer noch die Tatsache, dass der betroffene Bereich eine strahlende Glasfläche sein müsste.
Gruss
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mvd
28.11.2004, 11:23
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Re: OT: Neutronenbomben-Einsatz im IRAQ |
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>Die"Generation PISA"(TM)(C) in Aktion! Selten habe ich so einen Schwachsinn gelesen.
Mit solch lupenreinen Argumentationen machst du deinem Nickname ja wirklich alle Ehre.
Vieleicht solltest du dein Wissen um den Stand der Waffenechnik mal etwas auffrischen. 20 Jahre sind eine lange Zeit.
http://www.usiap.org/Viewpoints/Zgen/TheNuclearThreatThatDoesntExistOrDoesIt.html
GruĂź
mvd
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FOX-NEWS
28.11.2004, 13:30
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Red Mercury & Co |
-->Die Story rund um das"Red Mercury" geistert seit einiger Zeit durch die Presse. Wenn Russland über entsprechende Technologie verfügen würde, dann wäre ein Verkauf derselben absolut undenkbar.
Wie könnte ein solches Material aussehen? Es müsste die beiden Komponenten Tritium und Deuterium in einer Form einschliessen, welche die Überwindung der Abstossung der Atomkerne erleichtert. Pons-Fleischmann haben in den 90ern ja Versuche vorgestellt, bei denen dies angeblich geklappt hat. Der endgültige Beweis steht noch aus. Über die Mengenverteilung der Wasserstoffisotope im Katalysator habe ich keine Angaben. Dies wäre wichtig, um die Grösse der Apparatur abschätzen zu können.
Dennoch habe ich grösste Zweifel, dass mit konventionellen Methoden (ausser vielleicht gigantische Laser) die Kerne schnell genug aufeinander geschossen werden können.
Ein weiteres Problem sehe ich in der Handhabung. Tritium ist radioaktiv und hat eine relativ kurze Halbwertszeit. Die Bomben müssten also ständig einem Wartungszyclus unterworfen werden oder kurz vor dem Einsatz"betankt" werden.
Gruss
sam
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Ventura
28.11.2004, 13:54
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He Leute, wenn Ihr so weitermacht, lesen bald alle mit, Verfassungsschutz, BND, |
-->MAD,NSA usw.
Dann sind wir alle auf der Liste (sind wir schon!).
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offthspc
28.11.2004, 14:11
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Btw: das Geschenk von Amaso fĂĽr Onkel Shub wird morgen geliefert.... |
-->freue mich auf die strahlenden Gesichter,
der groĂźe Apfel ist faul geworden!
Ping
Ping
*Blocked*
mfG
offthspc
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FOX-NEWS
28.11.2004, 14:39
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... fauler Apfel an Onkel Shub... |
-->... der Vogel singt...
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mvd
28.11.2004, 20:32
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Weitere, PISA-Unverdächtige Quelle |
-->Diesem Verein wurde hier ja erst vor kurzem eine hohe Intelligenz attestiert:
http://www.cathnews.com/news/309/108.php
Hat Indien an der PISA-Studie teilgenommen?
http://iecolumnists.expressindia.com/print.php?content_id=46449
Aber mal im Ernst, wenn sich das als wahr herausstellt, dann...
WeiĂź ich auch nicht, was dann. Mir ist den ganzen Tag schon schlecht.
Vor allem passt es so gut ins Bild von dem, was dort gegen Ende des"offiziellen" Krieges geschehen ist. Erinnert ihr euch noch daran, wie überascht alle Welt war, daß die US-Truppen ganz plötzlich ungehindert durch Bagdad fahren konnten, obwohl sie am Tag zuvor noch in heftige Kämpfe verwickelt waren? Und an den geheimnisvollen Besuch von Condoleezza Rice in Moskau just in diesen Tagen?
Habt ihr damals auch die exakten Berichte der Gruppe um Ramzaj mitgelesen, der jeden Tag einen umfassenden Bericht zur Lage im Irak postete? Diese hier meine ich:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,3604,931084,00.html
Leider sind diese Dokumente nicht mehr online, aber in meinem Archiv habe ich vorhin noch einiges wiedergefunden. Ich kopiere hier mal ein paar Schnippsel, die den Flughafen betreffen.
Russian military intel update: War in Iraq, April 4
All indications are that the breakthrough by the 1st Brigade of the 3rd Mechanized Infantry Division toward the Baghdad international airport, although a significant thrust forward, did not come as a surprise to the Iraqi command. The US units occupying the airport area did not encounter here any significant resistance (the airport was guarded by no more than 2-3 Iraqi companies without any heavy weapons) nor did they see any indication that the Iraqis were even planning on defending the airport. Except for the line of trenches along the airport's perimeter the US troops found no other defensive structures. The airport was clear from all aircraft with the exception of a few old fuselages and a passenger plane (possible belonging to a Jordanian airline company), which did not have time to leave the airport before the flight restrictions were announced by the coalition with the beginning of the war.
Currently the coalition group of forces in the airport area number up to 4,000 troops, up to 80 tanks and about 50 artillery systems. It should be expected that several helicopter squadrons from the 101st Airborne Division will be deployed here in the next several hours.
According to electronic surveillance the coalition command in Qatar order the attacking US forces to halt on at least three occasions. The command ordered additional reconnaissance to be done in the airport area fearing there may carefully concealed Iraqi units and extensive defenses. The coalition command issued the final order to capture the airport only until the coalition reconnaissance units contacted the command headquarters directly from the airport terminal. The Iraqi forces protecting the airport offered little resistance and after a few exchanges of fire withdrew toward the city. Communication was lost with one of the coalition units protecting the flanks of the advancing column. It is still being determined whether this unit got lost or if it encountered an ambush.
Around 0800hrs the US positions [in the airport area] were attacked by the militia forces probably from among the local population. The militia was dispersed by tank and APC fire.
Russian military intel update: War in Iraq, April 5
As we supposed, during the last night Americans were moving 101st Airborne Division troops to help the 1st Mechanized Division that captured the airport of Baghdad yesterday morning. About 80 strike and transport helicopters and 500 marines were deployed there.
But all the efforts to reinforce the brigade with heavy armor failed as Iraqi started powerful artillery strikes at the transport routes and organized mobile firing groups on the roads. After reports about losing 3 tanks and 5 APCs on the route the American command had to pause the movement of the reinforcements by land.
Yesterday’s estimates of the forces concentrated here were overstated. After analysis of intercepted radio communications and reports of American commanders it was specified that at the airport there were only parts of the 1st brigade troops, up to 2 enforced battalions with the help of a self-propelled artillery division 3 thousand soldiers and officers strong, 60 tanks and about 20 guns.
Another battalion enforced with artillery crossed the Baghdad-Amman roadway and came into position at the crossroads to the south of the airport, near Abu-Harraib.
Soldiers of the 1st Mechanized Brigade spent almost all the last night in chemical protection suits, waiting for Iraqi to use their “untraditional weapons”. Apart from that, their positions were constantly shot with artillery and machine gun fire. The brigade commanders report that the soldiers are ultimately dead-beat, and are constantly requesting reinforcements.
About 10 armored units including 4 tanks were lost in this area yesterday. Up to 9 men were killed, about 20 wounded, at least 25 reported missing. Moreover, the status of a patrol group that didn’t arrive at the airport remains unclear. It is supposed that it either moved away towards Khan-Azad and took defense there or got under an ambush and was eliminated. It is now being searched for.
Russian Military Intel update: War in Iraq, April 6 (morning)
A hard situation has formed near the international airport. The day before yesterday the Iraqi minister of propaganda claimed that the coalition forces in this region would have been eliminated by this morning, and the Iraqi command ordered to storm the airport. At 10am it was attacked by 3 Republican Guards battalions enforced with militia troops. Americans requested artillery and aviation support. The battle lasted for almost 6 hours. After several unsuccessful attacks Iraqis managed to drive Americans back from the second runway to the airport building. Currently the coalition forces control the building itself and the new runway bordering to it. During the day the foes had to increase their strengths and deploy reinforcements. By the evening up to 2 regular Iraqi brigades and 2 thousand militiamen were fighting for the airport. Americans had to use all available forces of the 3rd Mechanized Division and 101st Airborne Division to repulse the attacks. Only assault aircraft and battle helicopters made more than 300 operation flights to this region.
During the fight Iraqis lost up to 20 tanks, 10 APC, about 200 men killed and up to 300 wounded. The American losses were up to 30 men killed, about 50 wounded, at least 4 tanks, 4 APC and 1 helicopter. But it is impossible to obtain the exact data yet. By this hour there have been more than 20 flights for evacuation of killed and wounded coalition soldiers and the command have requested ambulance aviation again.
The combat was so intense that commander of the 3rd Mechanized Division general-major Bufford Blunt had to issue an order to organize a false strike. Around 8am from Khan-Azad road junction an attack was organized in order to demonstrate tank vanguards of a large subdivision advancing toward Al-Daura from south. The group was able to reach the outskirts of the town near the Avajridge village. After entering the village the group was met by Republican Guards. In direct combat the group lost 2 tanks, 3 APC, 3 men killed, up to 10 wounded and, after two hours of fighting, withdrew to the main forces. Iraqis lost 4 tanks, 2 APC and up to 30 men killed.
By the evening the foes reduced their activity and were regrouping during the last night. Americans are rapidly fortifying their defense positions and deploying reinforcements to the airport region, increasing their forces at Khan-Azad and Abu-Harraib. Iraqis are moving anti-armor divisions closer to the city outskirts.
Despite the exchange of strikes there are no reasons to expect any serious attempts to capture the city in the nearest future. By numerical strength the coalition troops that have reached the city borders do not meet even the minimal requirements for storming and heavy urban fights. Coalition forces by Baghdad number up to 18-20 thousand men and can be enforced with no more than 3-5 thousand men while the minimal force necessary to capture a city like Baghdad equals from 80 to 100 thousand soldiers.
According to weather forecasts, in the coming day the weather may abruptly change to the worse. The wind is expected to intensify, visibility may reduce to 200-300 m.
Russian Military Intel update: War in Iraq, April 6 (continued)
Fire has not stopped near the Airport, both sides are using artillery. According to the most recent data the rush of the coalition forces toward to the southern borders of Baghdad, though expected by the Iraqi command, was tactically surprise. Hidden in the interiors of the city, parts of the Iraqi army were unable to leave their covered positions, advance and face the enemy. There arouse confusion that led to disorganization of the Iraqi squadrons that engaged their rivals “on the move”, without proper reconnaissance and concentration of forces. According to specified information in different conflicts and during the assault of the airport up to 400 Iraqi soldiers were killed, 25 tanks and 12 guns were lost.
But the coalition command also faced serious problems. Powerful Iraqi attacks aimed at the airport immobilized most of the force breaking towards Baghdad and it turned out necessary to bring reinforcements from other sectors of the front in order to succeed. In particular, up to 2 battalions of the 101st Airborne Division located by An-Nasiriya and An-Najaf and at least 1 battalion of the 82nd Division were moved there. Americans tolls at the south and south-east of Baghdad for the last 24 hours amount to: up to 30 men killed and at least 80 wounded, 15 soldiers are known to be missing. The Americans lost at least 8 tanks and 5 APC.
Today at 5pm a phone conversation between president of Russia Vladimir Putin and president of the USA George W. Bush took place. Before this conversation, his assistant for National Security Affairs Condoleezza Rice, who came into Moscow today, had consulted Bush. At this time Rice is meeting Igor Ivanov, the head of the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs.
Russian Military intel update: April 7
General Tommy Franks who came to the airport region called the level of the casualties during this local operation “unacceptable” and the results “paltry”. Yet it was noted that the Iraqi command reacted on bringing the forces into Baghdad “with an inexplicable delay” and the actions of the counter-attacking Iraqi units “uncoordinated”. American commanders believe that it happened due to “severe malfunction of the whole communication and control system”. It is still unclear what damaged Iraqi communications. According to some data most of the high command left the city after it had been blocked and moved to a reserve command center located in the northern regions of Iraq while the local command remaining in the city has not taken control over the situation yet.
Some officers in the coalition HQ presume that if this is the case then even storming Baghdad will not finish this war and a “campaign to the north”, where quite an effective and large group of Iraqi troops remains, might be necessary.
All the information the Russian side has about the fire opened at the Russian embassy column indicate that shooting at the diplomats and journalists was not an accidental event but rather a planned action of frightening and retribution.
This version is also supposed by several today’s attempts of Americans to stop the column on its route and carefully examine the diplomats’ cars and accompanied baggage. The Russian Foreign Ministry and the high-ranking officials keep silent. On the meeting of the President of Russia Vladimir Putin and the National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice they agreed “to forget about this regrettable indicent” and “prevent any impact on the Russian-American partnership”…
RAMZAJ DISCONTINUES OPERATION 08.04.2003 [18:46]
Events of the last 2 days have made further work of Ramzaj group in its current format impossible.
With the embassy personnel and journalists having left Iraq and most of Iraqi information services evacuated from Baghdad, analysis of the situation in Baghdad and Iraq as a whole becomes ineffective.
The quickly changing course of street fights leaves any informational updates far behind. Direct TV broadcasts are far more evident than any analytics.
At the same time, we do not have the right to reveal classified, “top secret” information.
Apart from that, our actions meet increasing opposition from the official quarts and in fact are turning into confrontation the outcome of which is not difficult to forecast.
Therefore we have to discontinue our work and thank everybody for taking part in the project.
In conclusion we would like to say:
All the “updates” came out from a compact group formed a few years ago in the framework of a special service. The group used to work for the government for a long time but all its members have left the service and now act as an independent analytical group that has kept some capabilities. This gives an answer to the most common question - about the sources of our information.
We participated in the ongoing events on a “non-profit” basis and had no object other than to stand the US-British informational blockade of the war in Iraq.
Our updates were not genuine materials from any of Russian or other special services, but rather an “intellectual product” of the group itself, product of its operative, informational and analytical abilities. But compiling the updates we used materials available from our friends from special information structures. The very form “operativnaya informatsiya” never claimed to be “military information updates” but served as additional data for self-dependent analysis.
The main goal of the project was to present intelligible military analytics on the war in Iraq, which is currently missing, to the informational space. We had both success and obvious fails along the way.
We are grateful to the iraqwar.ru and forum.vif2.ru administration that took the risk and burden of working with us and we understand how many problems they have to endure because of that.
With all responsibility we state that no messages, letters, appeals and other materials, apart from the daily “updates” on iraqwar.ru and forum.vif2.ru were made by Ramzaj group and any other statement in our name is nothing but mystification.
The author with the nickname “Kondor” is the only authorized source of information about the group and its “official contact person”. In cases of uncertainty or “nickname cloning” authentication is possible using his personal photo that supplements one of images published on iraqwar.ru and comes as its logical continuation.
With unfailing respect to all of you,
Ramzaj.
Ja, so war das damals, ganz plötzlich war diese einzigartige Nachrichtenquelle versiegt und am nächsten Tag rollten dann auch schon Amerikanische Panzer durch Bagdad ohne auf irgendeinen nennenswerten Widerstand zu stoßen.
Der Flughafen blieb für 9 lange Monate geschlossen und die Umgebung zum Sperrgebiet erklärt.
GruĂź
mvd
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Digedag
29.11.2004, 02:20
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Ja, er lebt noch, er lebt noch... 'Iraq, Ramzaj and a Neutron Bomb' |
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>Vor allem passt es so gut ins Bild von dem, was dort gegen Ende des"offiziellen" Krieges geschehen ist. Erinnert ihr euch noch daran, wie überascht alle Welt war, daß die US-Truppen ganz plötzlich ungehindert durch Bagdad fahren konnten, obwohl sie am Tag zuvor noch in heftige Kämpfe verwickelt waren? Und an den geheimnisvollen Besuch von Condoleezza Rice in Moskau just in diesen Tagen?
>Habt ihr damals auch die exakten Berichte der Gruppe um Ramzaj mitgelesen, der jeden Tag einen umfassenden Bericht zur Lage im Irak postete? Diese hier meine ich:
>http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,3604,931084,00.html
>Leider sind diese Dokumente nicht mehr online,...
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Iraq, Ramzaj and a Neutron Bomb
By: TerraHertz on: 20.10.2004 [15:49 ]
An interesting connection between the ceasation of the Ramzaj reports, and events at the Battle of Baghdad Airport, in April 2003. Also a summary of alternative Iraq War news sources.
At the beginning of the Iraq war, http://www.aeronautics.ru (by Venik) carried English translations of detailed war reports said to originate indirectly from the Russian GRU. The first of these was on March 23, 2003, and is still available at http://www.aeronautics.ru/news/news002/news066.htm (as are all the rest, but linked sequentially, with apparently no master index.) These were derived from intercepts of US communications by Russian military signals groups, and were edited extracts of the Russian (private?) analysis of US operations.
Later, another site (www.iraqwar.ru - since defunct) also made available English translations, and attributed the reports to 'the Ramzaj group'. This site included an annonymous user comment forum, where many interesting details surfaced.
In Oct 2004 the Ramzaj reports plus some historical commentary have been reposted at
http://iraqwar.mirror-world.ru/tiki-read_article.php?articleId=27229 (part 1)
http://iraqwar.mirror-world.ru/tiki-read_article.php?articleId=27346 (part 2)
On April 8, 2003, during latter stages of the Battle of Bagdad, the Ramzaj reports ceased, citing loss of information sources. Sometime after that, iraqwar.ru went off the net. There does not appear to be any currently online copy of its article and forum database. However the
GRU/Ramzaj reports are still archived in many places on the net. For eg:
http://www.serendipity.li/iraqwar/war_reports.htm as well as still at Venik's http://www.aeronautics.ru (though apparently with no link from the index page there.)
So, historically, we have detailed coverage of the Iraq war for the periods:
GRU/Ramzaj reports: March 23rd, 2003 to April 8, 2003.
Gap- no coverage: April 9th 2003, to October 29th, 2003.
Iraqi resistance reports: October 30th, 2003 to the present.
Now we know more about the Battle of Baghdad Airport, which began on Friday night, April 4th, 2003, and involved the near complete annihilation of the US 3/7 Cavalry. At that time mainstream media covered these these events with a great deal of confusion and contradiction, and no mention of major US losses. The US then apparently counter attacked the Iraqi defenders at the airport, using a single neutron bomb, which wiped out all resistance. Of course this was not mentioned by the media at all.
See http://iecolumnists.expressindia.com/full_column.php?content_id=46449
http://www.indybay.org/news/2004/02/1669628.php
(and others;Google: neutron baghdad airport)
Its not clear exactly what date and time this was done. Likely in the range April 6th to 8th, 2003. This is perhaps the very first time a tactical nuclear weapon has been used in a battlefield situation, unless rumours of nukes used by the USA in Afghanistan can be verified.
At the time the Ramzaj reports ceased so suddenly, their stated reason didn't seem to provide an adequate explanation for the halt. Now perhaps we can make a more informed guess. The Russians knew the US had used a tactical nuclear weapon in Iraq. A public accusation from a Russian quasi-official source, that the USA had used a nuclear weapon in Iraq, would have placed the Russian government in a very difficult diplomatic position. The Ramzaj reports were attempting to stand out by their truth in a sea of lies, but could now either lie, or admit that Russia knew, or cease.
They chose to cease operation.
One line from their brief farewell notice on 8th April reads:"... we do not have the right to reveal classified, 'top secret' information."
Now we know what that information was.
TerraHertz
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Original-Link: http://www.iraq-war.ru/tiki-read_article.php?articleId=27537
Und der ganze Holzmi.. ähh Ramzaj: http://www.serendipity.li/iraqwar/war_reports.htm
Digedag
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mvd
29.11.2004, 19:40
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iraq-war.ru |
-->Digedag, vielen Dank fĂĽr den Link!
Ich hatte die Suche mittlerweile aufgegeben.
Das scheinen ja die gleichen Leute zu sein, die damals die originale Seite gepflegt haben. Ich bin sehr froh, daĂź ich dort nun wieder Nachrichten lesen kann.
GruĂź
mvd
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