rahim 
         05.09.2007, 11:24   | 
     $4.5 billion options bet on catastrophe within four weeks Thread gesperrt | 
    
    
     -->hallo, 
selbiges ging mir gestern per email-verteiler zu.  
die originäre quelle im ticker forum konnte ich nicht finden. 
 
google-quellen:  
http://www.google.de/search?q=%244....de:official&client=firefox-a 
 
deutsche übersetzung: 
http://www.lutzschaefer.com/index.php?id_kategorie=8&id_thema=97 
 
 
$4.5 billion options bet on catastrophe within four weeks 
 
Anybody have a clue as to what these 'investors' are expecting? 
 
The two sales are being referred to by market traders as"bin Laden  
trades" because only an event on the scale of 9-11 could make these  
short-sell options valuable. 
 
There are 65,000 contracts @ $750.00 for the SPX 700 calls for open  
interest. That controls 6.5 million shares at $750 = $4.5 Billion. 
Not a single trade. But quite a bit of $$ on a contract that is 700  
points away from current value. No one would buy that deep"in the  
money" calls. No reason to. So if they were sold looks like someone  
betting on massive dislocation. Lots of very strange option activity  
that I haven't seen before. 
 
The entity or individual offering these sales can only make money if  
the market drops 30%-50% within the next four weeks. If the market does  
not drop, the entity or individual involved stands to lose over 
$1 billion just for engaging in these contracts! 
 
Clearly, someone knows something big is going to happen BEFORE the  
options expire on Sept. 21. 
 
THEORIES: 
 
The following theories are being discussed widely within the stock and  
options markets today regarding the enormous and very unusual activity  
reported above and two stories below. Those theories are: 
 
1) A massive terrorist attack is going to take place before Sept. 21 to  
tank the markets, OR; 
 
2) China, reeling over losing $10 Billion in bad loans to the sub-  
prime mortgage collapse presently taking place, is going to dump US  
currency and tank all of Capitalism with a Communist financial  
revolution. Either scenario is bad and the clock is ticking. The drop-  
dead date of these contracts is September 21. Whatever is going to  
happen MUST take place between now and then or the folks involved in  
these contracts will lose over $1 billion for having engaged in this  
activity. 
 
"$1.78 Billion Bet that Stock Markets will crash by third week in  
September Anonymous Stock Trader Sells 10K Contracts on EVERY S&P/Y  
"Strike" Shorts Stocks"in the money" effectively selling all his SPY  
holdings for cash up front without pressuring the market downward. 
 
This is an enormous and dangerous stock option activity. If it goes  
right, the guy makes about $2 Billion. If he's wrong, his out of pocket  
costs for buying these options will exceed $700 Million!!! The entity  
who sold these contracts can only make money if the stock market  
totally crashes by the third week in September. 
 
Bear in mind that the last time anyone conducted such large and unusual  
stock option trades (like this one) was in the weeks before the attacks  
of September 11. 
 
Back then, they bought huge numbers of PUTS on airline stocks in the  
same airlines whose planes were involved in the September 11 attacks. 
 
Despite knowing who made these trades, the Securities and Exchange  
Commission NEVER revealed who made the unusual trades and no one was  
ever publicly identified as being responsible for the trades which made  
upwards of $50 million when the attacks happened. 
 
The fact that this latest activity by a single entity gambles on a  
complete collapse of the entire market by the third week in September,  
seems to indicate someone knows something really huge is in the works  
and they intend to profit almost $2 Billion within the next four weeks  
from whatever happens! This is really worrisome." 
 
 
 
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             Ecki1 
         05.09.2007, 11:36                        
  @ rahim
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     Zum 4711. Mal: Zu jedem Put-Kontrakt gibt es eine Gegenpartei. (o.Text)   | 
    
    
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             Tofir 
         05.09.2007, 11:40                        
  @ Ecki1
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     ...und was passiert bei deren Insolvenz...? (o.Text)   | 
    
    
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             Pancho 
         05.09.2007, 11:45                        
  @ rahim
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     Re: $4.5 billion options bet on catastrophe within four weeks - Quatsch   | 
    
    
     -->>hallo, 
>selbiges ging mir gestern per email-verteiler zu.  
>die originäre quelle im ticker forum konnte ich nicht finden. 
>google-quellen:  
>http://www.google.de/search?q=%244.5+billion+options+bet+on+catastrophe+within+four+weeks+ticker+forum&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:de:official&client=firefox-a 
>deutsche übersetzung: 
>http://www.lutzschaefer.com/index.php?id_kategorie=8&id_thema=97 
> 
>$4.5 billion options bet on catastrophe within four weeks 
>Anybody have a clue as to what these 'investors' are expecting? 
>The two sales are being referred to by market traders as"bin Laden  
>trades" because only an event on the scale of 9-11 could make these  
>short-sell options valuable. 
>There are 65,000 contracts @ $750.00 for the SPX 700 calls for open  
>interest. That controls 6.5 million shares at $750 = $4.5 Billion. 
>Not a single trade. But quite a bit of $$ on a contract that is 700  
>points away from current value. No one would buy that deep"in the  
>money" calls. No reason to. So if they were sold looks like someone  
>betting on massive dislocation. Lots of very strange option activity  
>that I haven't seen before. 
>The entity or individual offering these sales can only make money if  
>the market drops 30%-50% within the next four weeks. If the market does  
>not drop, the entity or individual involved stands to lose over 
>$1 billion just for engaging in these contracts! 
>Clearly, someone knows something big is going to happen BEFORE the  
>options expire on Sept. 21. 
>THEORIES: 
>The following theories are being discussed widely within the stock and  
>options markets today regarding the enormous and very unusual activity  
>reported above and two stories below. Those theories are: 
>1) A massive terrorist attack is going to take place before Sept. 21 to  
>tank the markets, OR; 
>2) China, reeling over losing $10 Billion in bad loans to the sub-  
>prime mortgage collapse presently taking place, is going to dump US  
>currency and tank all of Capitalism with a Communist financial  
>revolution. Either scenario is bad and the clock is ticking. The drop-  
>dead date of these contracts is September 21. Whatever is going to  
>happen MUST take place between now and then or the folks involved in  
>these contracts will lose over $1 billion for having engaged in this  
>activity. 
 
Diese Leute verlieren nicht über 1 Mia.$, sondern genau 325'000$ (0.05$*65'000*100=325'000$). Letzter Kurs dieser Option (laut Yahoo): 5 cents. 
 
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             FOX-NEWS 
         05.09.2007, 11:45                        
  @ Tofir
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     ... dann kommt Helikopter-Ben... und alles wird gut. (o.Text)   | 
    
    
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             Ecki1 
         05.09.2007, 12:14                        
  @ Tofir
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     Re: in der Regel unwahrscheinlich, man verkauft Warrants ans Retail-Publikum. (o.Text)   | 
    
    
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             - Elli - 
         05.09.2007, 12:21                        
  @ rahim
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     Re: $4.5 billion options / Unsinn....   | 
    
    
     -->bitte hier lesen: 
 
http://f17.parsimony.net/forum30434/messages/389315.htm 
 
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             LOMITAS 
         05.09.2007, 12:30                        
  @ rahim
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     Re: $4.5 billion options bet on catastrophe within four weeks   | 
    
    
     -->Ssssooo ganz bala bala ist das nicht. Vielleicht wissen"Die" die Auszahlungswünsche der Investoren zum 28. September bezüglich der H. Fond.  
 
Ja ich weiss der 21. ist nicht der 28. Aber die Bewegung würde schon Tage davor mächtig einsetzen. Noch ein paar Gerüchte dazu gestreut und schon geht sie ab die Marie.  
 
Wer weiss den die Auszahlungswünsche den ganz genau, bzw. wer kommt an die Daten zuerst und sicher ran.  
 
Dazu kurz durchgespielt; Die Sache funzt, der Dow kracht 25% gen Süden. Die Scheine haben mehr als 50fach erhöht. Wer kann da auszahlen. Da streiken sogar die Hubschrauber.  
 
LOMITAS 
 
PS: Und wenn wirklich was dran ist an dem" 3 Tage Krieg" Ich weiss es nicht. Wer weiss es den???? Georg trau ich alles zu.  
 
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             rahim 
         05.09.2007, 14:37                        
  @ rahim
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     hätt ich es mir ja denken können - das auge des großen forums ist überall...   | 
    
    
     -->seht es einem sporadischen forum-leser bitte nach, dass ihm das manchmal entgeht...  
   
danke für die antworten 
 
rahim 
 
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