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black elk 15.06.2001, 09:46	@Amanito - Was hälst du von dem Arch Crawford Standpunkt zum Gold Thread gesperrt
	Kann man sich das so einfach machen? Ich würde das natürlich begrüßen wenn Gold explodiert... Category: General Interest From: arch (Arch Crawford) To: ALL Date Posted: June 15, 2001 at 02:37:41 Subject: GOLD and the June 21 Eclipse! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Solar Eclipse on the Summer Solstice June 21 is one of the 3 tightest alignments of eclipses relative to the Cardinal points in the past 100 years. The last one, June 21, 1982, was the EXACT LOW DAY in the Metals complex for 12 years! Maybe we'll get the high next few days, pull back into the Eclipse, and move UP over the next few years, not because of"deflation/inflation" but by the implosion of all fiat money. Arch Crawford Crawford Perspectives <center> <HR> </center>
Uwe 15.06.2001, 10:19 @ black elk	Weitere historische Datumsangaben zur totalen Sonnenfinsternis...
	... <pre> 1785 Feb 09 T 0.008 159 04m07s 1803 Feb 21 T -0.008 163 04m09s 1821 Mar 04 T -0.028 168 04m14s 1839 Mar 15 T -0.056 173 04m20s 1857 Mar 25 T -0.089 177 04m28s 1875 Apr 06 T -0.129 182 04m37s 1893 Apr 16 T -0.176 186 04m47s 1911 Apr 28 T -0.230 190 04m57s 1929 May 09 T -0.289 193 05m07s 1947 May 20 T -0.353 196 05m13s 1965 May 30 T -0.423 198 05m15s 1983 Jun 11 T -0.495 199 05m11s 2001 Jun 21 T -0.570 200 04m57s 2019 Jul 02 T -0.646 201 04m33s 2037 Jul 13 T -0.724 201 03m58s </pre> Diese Werte sind dieser Tabelle entnommen. Du hattest doch eine Langfristchart zum Gold, black elk? Kannst Du bitte einmal nachschauen, ob es weitere signifikante Beobachtungspunkte gibt? Bezogen auf den Aktienindex, fallen mir aus der Erinnerung nur Startpunkte widersprüchliche Bewegungsrichtungen zu den angegeben Daten ein (prüfe ich sobald die Möglichkeit sich dazu ergibt). Gruß Uwe <center> <HR> </center>
black elk 15.06.2001, 10:49 @ Uwe	Re: Weitere historische Datumsangaben zur totalen Sonnenfinsternis...
	Habe Elwave deinstalliert und kann die Daten nicht als Chart darstellen, aber anscheinend gibt es Übereinstimmungen Anfang des JAhrhunderts mit Welle 1 Top und Welle 2 Low (nur grob) date,open,high,low,close,openint 1792-12-31,19.389999,19.389999,19.389999,19.389999 1793-12-31,19.389999,19.389999,19.389999,19.389999 1794-12-31,19.389999,19.389999,19.389999,19.389999 1795-12-31,19.389999,19.389999,19.389999,19.389999 1796-12-31,19.389999,19.389999,19.389999,19.389999 1797-12-31,19.389999,19.389999,19.389999,19.389999 1798-12-31,19.389999,19.389999,19.389999,19.389999 1799-12-31,19.389999,19.389999,19.389999,19.389999 1800-12-31,19.389999,19.389999,19.389999,19.389999 1801-12-31,19.389999,19.389999,19.389999,19.389999 1802-12-31,19.389999,19.389999,19.389999,19.389999 1803-12-31,19.389999,19.389999,19.389999,19.389999 1804-12-31,19.389999,19.389999,19.389999,19.389999 1805-12-31,19.389999,19.389999,19.389999,19.389999 1806-12-31,19.389999,19.389999,19.389999,19.389999 1807-12-31,19.389999,19.389999,19.389999,19.389999 1808-12-31,19.389999,19.389999,19.389999,19.389999 1809-12-31,19.389999,19.389999,19.389999,19.389999 1810-12-31,19.389999,19.389999,19.389999,19.389999 1811-12-31,19.389999,19.389999,19.389999,19.389999 1812-12-31,19.389999,19.389999,19.389999,19.389999 1813-12-31,19.389999,19.389999,19.389999,19.389999 1814-12-31,19.389999,21.790001,19.389999,21.790001 1815-12-31,22.799999,23.070000,19.780001,22.160000 1816-12-31,22.160000,22.160000,19.740000,19.840000 1817-12-31,19.889999,19.889999,19.389999,19.389999 1818-12-31,19.389999,19.389999,19.389999,19.389999 1819-12-31,19.389999,19.389999,19.389999,19.389999 1820-12-31,19.389999,19.389999,19.389999,19.389999 1821-12-31,19.389999,19.389999,19.389999,19.389999 1822-12-31,19.389999,19.389999,19.389999,19.389999 1823-12-31,19.389999,19.389999,19.389999,19.389999 1824-12-31,19.389999,19.389999,19.389999,19.389999 1825-12-31,19.389999,19.389999,19.389999,19.389999 1826-12-31,19.389999,19.389999,19.389999,19.389999 1827-12-31,19.389999,19.389999,19.389999,19.389999 1828-12-31,19.389999,19.389999,19.389999,19.389999 1829-12-31,19.389999,19.389999,19.389999,19.389999 1830-12-31,19.389999,19.389999,19.389999,19.389999 1831-12-31,19.389999,19.389999,19.389999,19.389999 1832-12-31,19.389999,19.389999,19.389999,19.389999 1833-12-31,19.389999,19.389999,19.389999,19.389999 1834-12-31,19.389999,20.690001,19.389999,20.690001 1835-12-31,20.690001,20.690001,20.690001,20.690001 1836-12-31,20.690001,20.690001,20.690001,20.690001 1837-12-31,20.670000,22.700001,20.670000,21.600000 1838-12-31,21.520000,21.520000,20.690001,20.730000 1839-12-31,20.730000,20.730000,20.730000,20.730000 1840-12-31,20.730000,20.730000,20.730000,20.730000 1841-12-31,20.730000,20.730000,20.670000,20.670000 1842-12-31,20.670000,20.730000,20.670000,20.690001 1843-12-31,20.690001,20.709999,20.670000,20.670000 1844-12-31,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000 1845-12-31,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000 1846-12-31,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000 1847-12-31,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000 1848-12-31,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000 1849-12-31,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000 1850-12-31,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000 1851-12-31,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000 1852-12-31,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000 1853-12-31,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000 1854-12-31,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000 1855-12-31,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000 1856-12-31,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000 1857-12-31,20.670000,20.809999,20.670000,20.709999 1858-12-31,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000 1859-12-31,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000 1860-12-31,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000 1861-12-31,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000 1862-12-31,21.190001,27.350000,20.980000,27.350000 1863-12-31,29.990000,33.180000,26.000000,31.230000 1864-12-31,32.139999,53.349998,32.139999,47.020000 1865-12-31,44.689999,44.689999,28.030001,30.219999 1866-12-31,28.959999,31.340000,26.309999,28.260000 1867-12-31,27.820000,29.660000,27.820000,27.860001 1868-12-31,28.629999,30.070000,27.780001,27.950001 1869-12-31,28.030001,28.770000,25.110001,25.110001 1870-12-31,25.070000,25.070000,22.879999,22.879999 1871-12-31,22.879999,23.670000,22.590000,22.590000 1872-12-31,22.549999,23.650000,22.549999,23.190001 1873-12-31,23.299999,24.350000,22.450001,22.740000 1874-12-31,23.030001,23.440001,22.670000,23.090000 1875-12-31,23.250000,24.180000,23.250000,23.540001 1876-12-31,23.320000,23.629999,22.299999,22.299999 1877-12-31,21.969999,22.100000,21.250000,21.250000 1878-12-31,21.100000,21.100000,20.690001,20.690001 1879-12-31,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000 1880-12-31,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000 1881-12-31,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000 1882-12-31,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000 1883-12-31,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000 1884-12-31,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000 1885-12-31,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000 1886-12-31,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000 1887-12-31,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000 1888-12-31,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000 1889-12-31,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000 1890-12-31,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000 1891-12-31,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000 1892-12-31,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000 1893-12-31,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000 1894-12-31,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000 1895-12-31,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000 1896-12-31,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000 1897-12-31,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000 1898-12-31,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000 1899-12-31,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000 1900-12-31,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000 1901-12-31,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000 1902-12-31,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000 1903-12-31,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000 1904-12-31,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000 1905-12-31,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000 1906-12-31,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000 1907-12-31,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000 1908-12-31,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000 1909-12-31,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000 1910-12-31,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000 1911-12-31,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000 1912-12-31,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000 1913-12-31,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000 1914-12-31,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000 1915-12-31,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000 1916-12-31,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000 1917-12-31,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000 1918-12-31,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000 1919-12-31,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000 1920-12-31,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000 1921-12-31,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000 1922-12-31,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000 1923-12-31,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000 1924-12-31,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000 1925-12-31,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000 1926-12-31,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000 1927-12-31,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000 1928-12-31,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000 1929-12-31,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000 1930-12-31,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000 1931-12-31,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000 1932-12-31,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000,20.670000 1933-12-31,20.670000,33.110001,20.670000,32.320000 1934-12-31,32.869999,35.000000,32.869999,35.000000 1935-12-31,35.000000,35.000000,35.000000,35.000000 1936-12-31,35.000000,35.000000,35.000000,35.000000 1937-12-31,35.000000,35.000000,35.000000,35.000000 1938-12-31,35.000000,35.000000,35.000000,35.000000 1939-12-31,35.000000,35.000000,35.000000,35.000000 1940-12-31,34.750000,34.750000,34.099998,34.500000 1941-12-31,34.500000,35.500000,34.250000,35.500000 1942-12-31,35.250000,36.250000,35.000000,35.500000 1943-12-31,35.500000,36.500000,35.500000,36.500000 1944-12-31,36.250000,36.750000,36.000000,36.250000 1945-12-31,36.250000,38.250000,36.250000,37.250000 1946-12-31,37.750000,39.500000,37.750000,38.250000 1947-12-31,37.500000,43.250000,37.500000,43.000000 1948-12-31,43.000000,43.250000,41.500000,42.000000 1949-12-31,42.500000,42.500000,40.500000,40.500000 1950-12-31,41.500000,41.500000,36.500000,40.250000 1951-12-31,43.500000,44.000000,40.000000,40.000000 1952-12-31,40.750000,40.750000,38.150002,38.700001 1953-12-31,39.250000,39.250000,35.250000,35.500000 1954-12-31,35.500000,35.500000,35.250000,35.250000 1955-12-31,35.250000,35.250000,35.150002,35.150002 1956-12-31,35.150002,35.200001,35.150002,35.200001 1957-12-31,35.150002,35.250000,35.150002,35.250000 1958-12-31,35.250000,35.250000,35.250000,35.250000 1959-12-31,35.250000,35.250000,35.250000,35.250000 1960-12-31,35.250000,36.500000,35.200001,36.500000 1961-12-31,36.500000,36.500000,35.150002,35.500000 1962-12-31,35.500000,35.500000,35.200001,35.349998 1963-12-31,35.349998,35.419998,35.250000,35.250000 1964-12-31,35.250000,35.349998,35.250000,35.349998 1965-12-31,35.250000,35.500000,35.250000,35.500000 1966-12-31,35.500000,35.500000,35.299999,35.400002 1967-12-31,35.400002,35.500000,35.270000,35.500000 1968-12-31,35.849998,43.500000,35.849998,43.500000 1969-12-31,44.250000,45.849998,41.000000,41.000000 1970-12-31,40.750000,40.750000,36.500000,38.900002 1971-12-31,39.500000,44.599998,39.500000,44.599998 1972-12-31,45.700001,66.980003,45.700001,63.840000 1973-12-31,65.129997,120.269997,65.129997,106.480003 1974-12-31,129.059998,183.770004,129.059998,183.770004 1975-12-31,176.570007,179.570007,139.289993,139.289993 1976-12-31,131.589996,133.770004,109.989998,133.770004 1977-12-31,132.899994,162.800003,132.899994,161.100006 1978-12-31,173.699997,227.699997,173.699997,208.100006 1979-12-31,227.600006,459.000000,227.600006,459.000000 1980-12-31,559.700012,850.000000,481.500000,586.000000 1981-12-31,586.000000,599.200012,391.200012,401.000000 1982-12-31,395.000000,481.000000,296.700012,456.899994 1983-12-31,452.000000,509.200012,374.200012,381.500000 1984-12-31,383.000000,405.799988,307.500000,308.299988 1985-12-31,305.500000,341.100006,284.200012,329.700012 1986-12-31,326.500000,438.299988,326.500000,397.000000 1987-12-31,403.500000,501.200012,390.000000,484.000000 1988-12-31,480.500000,483.899994,395.299988,410.899994 1989-12-31,411.600006,415.500000,355.700012,402.899994 1990-12-31,399.000000,423.799988,345.799988,392.700012 1991-12-31,390.799988,403.000000,344.200012,353.200012 1992-12-31,350.899994,359.600006,330.350006,333.299988 1993-12-31,328.250000,405.600006,326.100006,390.649994 1994-12-31,390.000000,397.500000,369.649994,382.500000 1995-12-31,380.899994,395.549988,372.399994,386.950012 1996-12-31,389.149994,414.799988,367.399994,369.000000 1997-12-31,366.549988,366.549988,283.000000,287.049988 1998-12-31,288.000000,313.149994,273.399994,288.700012 1999-12-31,287.149994,325.500000,252.800003,290.250000 2000-12-31,288.0000000,319.0000000,262.1000000,272.150000 <center> <HR> </center>
black elk 15.06.2001, 10:53 @ black elk	Re: Weitere historische Datumsangaben zur totalen Sonnenfinsternis...
	Nur als Anhaltspunkt. [img][/img] <center> <HR> </center>
Amanito 15.06.2001, 15:14 @ black elk	Re: @Amanito - Was hälst du von dem Arch Crawford Standpunkt zum Gold
	Hallo black elk, ganz so dramatisch sehe ich das nicht. Die Finsternis hat ein schönes Gamma, aber ist keineswegs die Zentrumseklipse der Saros-Serie, und nur die zählen wirklich. Sie ist auch nicht eingebunden in eine große Aspektfigur. amanito <center> <HR> </center>
Uwe 15.06.2001, 18:22 @ black elk	... und das Diagramme aus den Daten von black elk
	Danke, black elk, für die Daten. Eigentlich wollte ich durch meine Frage nur darauf hinweisen, das sich m.E. kaum ein für die Herleitung einer Prognose belegbarer Zusammenhang aus der Überlagerung des Goldcharts mit den Zyklen-Rasterlinien der Sonnenfinsternis ergibt. Deine Daten habe ich genutzt, dieses Bild zu erstellen und die Werte des DJIA-Index (Werte des Jahresmittels) gleich miteingetragen. [img][/img] Nun für den Dow ist klar zu erkennen, das es nach den roten Rasterlinien (Jahre der Sonnenfinsternis) entweder heftig aufwärts geht (wie 1895?, 1947 und 1993), aber auch mit gleicher Heftigkeit abwärts gehen kann (wie 1929), wenn nicht eine zermürbende Seitwärtsphase (wie 1913) eingeleitet wird (wie 1913 und 2001(?)) ;-). Natürlich sollten zeitliche Versatze, z.B. von +/-2Jahren, bei dieser Betrachtung tolleriert werden. Gruß Uwe <center> <HR> </center>

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