TheRaven
23.04.2001, 19:20 |
Das verscchwundene Gold der Bundesbank! Thread gesperrt |
Das verschwundene Gold der Bundesbank!
Hallo" nereusâ!
Und diese Menge ist insgesamt mit 32.287 Millionen Euro
bewertet, muĂ heiĂen" Milliarden".
Die Zahlen sind richtig, aber bedeuten einen Schock, wie weit
sich bereits die Staatschulden vom Goldkern entfernt haben,
dem einzigen Feind der Bundesbank.
Diese ist Ăźbrigens sehr stark in dem Gold - Derivate - Sumpf
und den Gold - Leih - Geschäften verwickelt.
Ăbrigens machen Deine Zahlen deutlich, es bleibt nur noch
ein" KIRCHENTAGâ - Wie zu Christis Zeiten - und ein Jeder
wurde geschätzt - der letzte war 1948.
Die Wahrheit wird jedenfalls bitter sein.
Euer
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Rab
23.04.2001, 19:24
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Du meinst nicht zufällig das Gold der Deutchen Bundesbank in Fort Knox?
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TheRaven
23.04.2001, 19:33
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>Du meinst nicht zufällig das Gold der Deutchen Bundesbank in Fort Knox?
Ist doch klar, ist doch nicht in Frankfurt!
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dottore
23.04.2001, 19:47
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Re: Das Gold ist in Frankfurt... |
... und ein Teil (wie viel, wird nicht mitgeteilt) in New York (Fed-Keller, Canal Street).
Vom Buba-Gold ist allerdings einiges ge-earmaked: FĂźr IWF, EZB und BIZ.
Das Gold, so jedenfalls die WPs der Buba, lassen sich nicht täuschen, sondern verlangen jedes Jahr ein von zwei Präsidiumsmitgliedern unterschriebenes Protokoll.
Auch bei der Buba gibt's nämlich eine Inventur. Wer hätte das gedacht.
Wer's nicht glaubt, sollte eine Anzeige wg. Bilanzfälschung, Betrug, Konkursverschleppung etc. bei der StA Frankfurt einreichen. Dazu eine Eidesstattliche Erklärung, dass er gesehen hat, dass die Buba nirgends mehr Gold hat.
Dann wird von Amts wegen ermittelt (J. Tilmann ist der pressegierige zuständige Herr) und die Sache wird ein fßr alle Mal geklärt.
Also wer setzt die Anzeige in die Welt? Geht auch anonym, macht aber weniger SpaĂ. Zieht die Nummer, geht er in die Geschichte ein, zieht sie nicht, gibt's groĂen Ărger. Die Fidschi Island gewähren fĂźr so was allerdings Asyl.
GruĂ
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Tofir
23.04.2001, 20:02
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Re: Das Gold ist in Frankfurt...physisch? |
Lieber dottore
In der Bilanz sind meines Wissens aber Gold (=Physisch) und Goldforderungen (=Zettel) n i c h t getrennt, sondern zusammen aufgefĂźhrt. Also kann wirklich trotz korrekter Bilanz heute alles weg sein- auch wenn Du es selbst noch dort gesehen hast.
Gruss
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dottore
23.04.2001, 20:13
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Re: Das Gold ist in Frankfurt...physisch? |
>Lieber dottore
>In der Bilanz sind meines Wissens aber Gold (=Physisch) und Goldforderungen (=Zettel) n i c h t getrennt, sondern zusammen aufgefĂźhrt. Also kann wirklich trotz korrekter Bilanz heute alles weg sein- auch wenn Du es selbst noch dort gesehen hast.
>Gruss
>tofir
Sehr gut, tofir,
vielen Dank, das hatte ich vergessen. Ich erinnere mich aber an mein ausfßhrliches Telefonat mit der Buba, wo alles aufgeklärt und dann von mir hier reingestellt wurde. Weià leider nicht mehr wo und wann (war ne längere Debatte) und muss leider wech.
GruĂ + Dank!
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Albrecht
23.04.2001, 20:14
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Hier die letzten Nachrichten zu dem Themenkomplex |
Hallo zusammen,
hier die letzten Nachrichten zu dem Themenkomplex:
Clint H (4/23/01; 07:29:17MT - usagold.com msg#: 52388)
Gold Anti-Trust Action Committee
This was just posted to all AOL members.
Gold Anti-Trust Action Committee: Exchange Stabilization Fund/Bundesbank Gold Swap Operation Exposed
DALLAS--(BUSINESS WIRE)--April 23, 2001--The Gold Anti-Trust Action Committee will reveal proof of the suppression of the gold price by the U.S. and German
governments and bullion banks at the GATA African Gold Summit on May 10, 2001, in Durban, South Africa.
Attending will be government officials from South Africa and other African gold-producing countries, representatives of South Africa`s National Union of Mineworkers,
major gold producers, and the world press.
For more than two years GATA has claimed that the gold market has been manipulated lower by a faction of the U.S. government and a cartel of bullion banks to the
detriment of mostly poor gold-producing nations.
One of the speakers at the Durban conference, GATA consultant Reginald H. Howe, has brought suit in U.S. District Court in Boston, against participants in the
scheme. The defendants are: the Bank for International Settlements; Alan Greenspan, chairman of the Board of Governors of the U.S. Federal Reserve System and a
director of the BIS; William J. McDonough, president of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York and a director of the BIS; five major bullion banks, J.P. Morgan & Co.,
Chase Manhattan Corp., Citigroup Inc., Goldman Sachs Group Inc., and Deutsche Bank; and Lawrence H. Summers, former secretary of the treasury, who by law
exercised control over the U.S. Exchange Stabilization Fund (ESF), subject only to approval by the president.
On April 19, 2001, Reg Howe presented the following to the court. It is posted at http://www.gata.org/lawsuit.html.
"The Department of Justice`s memorandum on behalf of the Secretary of the Treasury`s motion to dismiss asserts and re-emphasizes the secretary`s contention `that
in fact the ESF has no holdings of gold and has not traded in gold or gold derivatives since 1978.`
"The plaintiff has recently discovered a highly relevant statement in the transcript of the Federal Open Market Committee`s meeting on January 31, 1995. Responding
to a question by then Fed Governor Lawrence Lindsey about the ESF`s legal authority to engage in a financial rescue package for Mexico, J. Virgil Mattingly, the Fed`s
general counsel, stated:
"`It`s pretty clear that these ESF operations are authorized. I don`t think there is a legal problem in terms of the authority. The statute (31 U.S.C. s. 5302) is very
broadly worded in terms of words like `credit` -- it has covered things like the gold swaps -- and it confers broad authority.`"
James Turk, who also will speak at the Durban conference, revealed the following in a recent commentary,"Behind Closed Doors," which also can be read at
http://www.gata.org/lawsuit.html.:
"The Treasury Department has changed the designation of nearly 1,700 tonnes of inventoried gold at the U.S. Mint`s facility in West Point, N.Y., which is
approximately 21 percent of the total U.S. gold reserve, from `Gold Bullion Reserve` to `Custodial Gold.`
"The August 2000 Status Report on U.S. Treasury-Owned gold stored at West Point has a designation of `Gold Bullion Reserve.` But the September 2000 and
subsequent status reports inexplicably designate this same gold that is stored at the U.S. Mint at West Point as `Custodial Gold.`
"This change in the descriptive label for nearly 1,700 tonnes of gold at West Point from `Gold Bullion Reserve` to `Custodial Gold` was purposeful. It happened for a
reason. This conclusion is all the more plausible because the Treasury did not change the classification from `Gold Bullion Reserve` to `Custodial Gold` to describe the
gold stored in Fort Knox or at the U.S. Mint at Denver."
Turk goes on to establish"that the ESF has `gold swaps` with the Bundesbank. According to Turk,"It therefore does not require much conjecture to add one
supposition to the equation by concluding that the gold at West Point has been swapped with gold owned by the Bundesbank, thereby necessitating its reclassification
from `Gold Bullion Reserve` to `Custodial Gold.` The Treasury Department wanted to make gold available to some bullion banks."
"We now know what has happened. The Bundesbank has loaned 1,700 tonnes, half its 3,400 tonnes reserve; the other 1,700 tonnes were swapped for gold in the U.S.
reserves, requiring the change in the West Point vault from `Gold Bullion Reserve` to `Custodial Gold.`
"In other words, the Bundesbank`s vault is empty because half its gold is stored at West Point, not Europe, and the other half has been loaned out."
Further evidence of the validity of the GATA/Turk claims come from the Bundesbank itself at http://www.bundesbank.de/ezb/de/publications/pdf/statintreserves.pdf
On Page 37 on the PDF file, some numerical examples of how the accounting for gold reserves is done are given. Example 3 states:
"3. 20 Dec. 1999: `A` undertakes a gold swap with the United States Federal Reserve in which `A` provides the Federal Reserve with 1,000 ounces of gold in exchange
for USD 300,000, in currency. The transaction will be reversed on 20 January 1999, at the spot price of the gold prevailing in the market at that moment."
GATA chairman Bill Murphy says:"The New York Federal Reserve is an agent for the Exchange Stabilization Fund, and while these numbers are small, it is clearly
more evidence of a substantial ESF/Bundesbank operation that James Turk refers to.
"This is most troubling, since both Mr. Greenspan directly and Mr. Summers indirectly have asserted that neither the Federal Reserve nor the secretary of the treasury
acting through the ESF has authority to manipulate dollar gold prices. In a letter to Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman dated January 19, 2000, Greenspan stated that
transactions by the Federal Reserve"aimed at manipulating the price of gold or otherwise interfering in the free trade of gold, would be wholly inappropriate." Similarly,
officials who worked under Secretary Summers, though not Summers himself, denied any interventions in the gold market by the ESF and have made those assertions
in dozens of letters to congressmen and to inquiring individuals all over the world."
Murphy continues:"What is so disturbing is that a few bullion banks and the ESF have made a State Department decision that a privileged few in the financial world
count, while the economies and hundreds of millions of citizens of the poor gold-producing countries in Africa do not. The ESF operation has suppressed the price of
gold hundreds of dollars below its natural equilibrium price and deprived the natural resource-rich sub-Saharan African countries of desperately needed money to fight
crime, disease, and unemployment.
"In the end this gold market collusion will make Watergate look like child`s play, as it impugns the proposal by the Clinton administration to sell the gold of the
International Monetary Fund in the name of helping poor countries. It also may affect the governments of Britain, Germany, and Switzerland in regard to the motives of
their recent gold sales and lending."
CONTACT:
Gold Anti-Trust Action Committee Inc., Dallas
Bill Murphy, 214/522-3411
Midasnh@aol.com
KEYWORD: TEXAS SOUTH AFRICA
BW0357 APR 23,2001
6:00 PACIFIC
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GruĂ
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Albrecht
23.04.2001, 20:33
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Und hier noch eine Nachrichten zu diesem Themenkomplex |
Hallo zusammen,
Reg Howe Found"The Dress"!
A brand new day is coming.
It is Sunday morning and I am reflecting a bit over the past 27 months that Chris Powell and I,
as well as so many other stout GATA supporters, have been trying to wake up the
gold/investment world that the gold market has been manipulated by certain bullion banks and
a faction of the U.S. Government.
It could not be more clear that we have reached an inflexion point. One can compare Reg
Howe's discovery of the Fed minutes to the discovery of"The Dress" in the Clinton/Lewinsky
scandal or to John Dean's testimony in the Watergate fiasco.
The difference is that Reg Howe's revelations are far more consequential than those two
scandals. As the news and the facts spread, and this time they will, the ramifications of the
findings will be felt around the world. Think on these things:
*Alan Greenspan has been caught deceiving Senator Leiberman, who is already campaigning
to run for President in 2004.
*U.S. Treasury officials have misrepresented that the ESF was not involved in the gold market
to Congressmen and citizens all over the world, who queried whether they were doing so.
*The black led governments of South Africa took over in 1994 - just at the time the BIS/ESF
gold suppression scheme was put into high gear. The consistent depression of the gold price
has been very negative for the economy of South Africa and for other poor African gold
producing countries. Therefore, the South African government has not had the funds it should
have had to treat terrible unemployment, crime and disease problems. They have been
criticized for ineffective leadership - thanks to former Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin, Alan
Greenspan, the BIS and Goldman Sachs/J.P. Morgan/Chase and company.
* One would think the opposition party in Britain would roast Prime Minister Blair for selling
half of England's gold to perpetuate the gold fraud scheme.
*How do you think Germans will react when they realize half or all of their gold is gone?
Inflation is on its way back and they have no gold - or will have none if the US decides not give
it back to them. No one dreads inflation more than the Germans and their gold is missing.
One would think whoever is responsible for the emptying of the gold vault in Germany is in big
trouble. Somebody over there is going to have a field day with this.
*And who suckered the Swiss to dump 1,000 tonnes of gold at these rock bottom prices to
perpetuate the scheme? As the investment world realizes 5,000 to 11,000 more tonnes of
gold has left central bank vaults than recognized by the gold industry, the gold price is going to
soar. The brilliant and lonely voice of Frank Veneroso is going to be proved correct. The
reputation of the Swiss as being so bright and clever is headed for the toilet.
*What do you think the reaction is going to be by the Prime Ministers of all the gold producing
countries in Africa, or in other third world nations around the world?
As Reg said in his filing:" E. Defendants Summers, Greenspan and McDonough Knew or
Should Have Known that Suppressing Gold Prices through the BIS or Otherwise Is Contrary
to U.S. Foreign Policy toward Sub-Saharan Africa." How do you think they will reflect on the
IMF's proposed gold sales in 1999, which failed to secure approval by Congress? That would
have allowed 3000 tonnes of IMF gold to be injected in the physical gold market over time to
keep the price of gold depressed even longer than it already has been. Clinton and Rubin
urged that the IMF gold sales be allowed to go through to help the poor. What hypocrites!
*Can you imagine what the Russians will do with this! America preaches the importance of
free markets to the rest of the world while we are doing the opposite in the gold market by
controlling the price. What was the Cold War all about anyway? What we have here is nothing
less than Big Brother doing his thing. The Communists would be proud. The State rules.
Down with freedom, the truth, competition and anti-trust laws. Hail to order, the Government
and insider bullion banks.
*Fair play is down the drain in the U.S. How would you have like to have practically interest
free money at your disposal the past 7 years?
I could go on and on. I am sure you get the picture and it is not a pretty one.
The good news is that the price of gold is going to roar. The gold time bomb I have talked
about so long is going to go off and it can happen at any time. The ticking noise is now
DEAFENING!!!
Junior gold companies such as Golden Star Resources (GSC in Toronto) are truly the
bargain buys of a lifetime. I speak often of GSR because that is where my money is and I
know the company well. It is also Frank Veneroso's number one pick. CEO Peter Bradford
will be attending the GATA African Gold Summit in Durban on May 10.
Why is that especially so right now? Because the investment world is finally going to realize
Frank Veneroso is correct and that up to 11,000 tonnes of gold, that was supposed to be in
central banks coffers, is gone. Demand for gold therefore has been that much greater than
the investing public has been led to believe. The investing world will also realize the shorts are
trapped and cannot get out. The sharks will begin to circle the vulnerable Gold Cartel.
Many of these junior/exploration companies are priced at near bankruptcy levels. It is the
outhouse to the penthouse story coming. Gold companies that can deliver new gold supply in
the next 10 years are going to go to astronomical premiums. The ones that have gold
production now will go first - companies like High River Gold in Toronto. The exploration
companies, like Samex in Vancouver, will be next.
I have been so involved with GATA that I have little time to check out other wonderful
junior/exploration companies, many of which are CafĂŠ members. That is what the likes of Bob
Bishop, Bob Chapman, Jay Taylor and Sir Harry Schultz do so well. They are all CafĂŠ
members too.
It is time to do your gold company homework. Whether the gold bomb goes off next week or
next month, it is coming. The truth is going to prevail against the evil ones.
Bill Murphy, Chairman
Gold Anti-Trust Action Committee Inc.
April 23, 2001
GruĂ
Albrecht
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Tofir
23.04.2001, 21:40
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Das verschwundene Gold der Bundesbank - jetzt auch schon auf CNN!!! |
Langsam wird's peinlich!
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Heller
23.04.2001, 22:08
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...und schon fängt Gold wieder an zu steigen... (owT) |
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