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Re: Teegen wie er leibt und lebt / Tupolev
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> http://www.geocities.com/roboplanes/tupolev.html
>
>
> Was Russian Tupolev Airliner Shot Down Over Germany?
>
> Despite diligent analysis of the available video
> footage, no trace can be found of any debris from
> the DHL Boeing 757 alleged to have"collided" with the
> Russian Tupolev 154M near Ueberlingen
>
> Copyright Joe Vialls, 3 July 2002
>
>
> Finding coherent details about the fatal
> crash of Bashkirian Airlines Flight BTS2937 near
> Ueberlingen in southern Germany at 0050 hrs on 1 July,
> has been very difficult. Worse still, finding any
> evidence of the DHL Boeing 757 alleged to have
> collided with the Tupolev 154 in mid air, has so far
> been impossible.
> Every one of the thousands of video frames
> viewed to date from the crash sites in southern
> Germany show only bits and pieces of Tupolev 154.
> Pictures of its tail assembly, engines, fuselage, and
> the highly distinctive 6-wheel undercarriage are there
> in abundance, but not a single solitary scrap of
> Boeing 757 can be seen anywhere.
> If two aircraft of the same type had
> collided in mid air, say two Tupolev 154s for example,
> then discriminating between the different aircraft
> wrecks would be almost impossible. But as the color
> photos further down this page show only too well, the
> Tupolev 154 and Boeing 757 are completely different in
> design. The engines, wings and undercarriage are
> different, as are the tail assemblies and even the
> cabin windows.
> To decide for ourselves whether the
> Bashkirian TU-154 really did collide in mid air as
> claimed, or was the victim of foul play, we will have
> to examine the available evidence far more carefully.
> First, who initially stated that the TU-154 collided
> with a Boeing 757? One of the first was DHL Europe,
> who issued the following statement:
>"Brussels (1 July 2002) - At approximately
> 0050LT today, a Boeing 757 registration number A9CDHL
> operated by DHL International EC, en route from
> Bahrain to Brussels was involved in an accident over
> the city of Ueberlingen on Lake Constance (Southern
> Germany).
>"A collision occurring between the DHL cargo
> plane and a Russian Tupolev passenger aircraft,
> operated by Bashkirian airlines, registered RA85816,
> has resulted in many casualties. The DHL aircraft was
> crewed by two pilots, a British national and a
> Canadian national, both based in Bahrain. There were
> no other people on board the DHL craft. During this
> difficult time our thoughts are with the families and
> friends of those who have either lost their lives or
> been seriously injured in such tragic circumstances.
>"It is too early to comment on the possible
> cause of the accident. At this time there is no
> indication of any technical or potential problems with
> the DHL craft. An investigation is underway and DHL is
> working with the Air Investigation Branch of the Civil
> Aviation Authority. DHL will release further
> information as it becomes available."
>
>
> Fine so far. DHL in Europe knew its Boeing
> 757 had departed Bahrain on schedule, and clearly at
> that stage believed it had collided with the
> Bashkirian Tupolev 154. But did DHL Europe know the
> nature of the Boeing's cargo, which has been variously
> and rather delicately described by middle east sources
> as"secure","classified","secret" and"extremely
> hazardous"?
> So the first question we have to ask is
> whether or not the hazardous cargo on board the DHL
> plane might have accidentally or intentionally led to
> its destruction shortly after departure from Bahrain.
> Could the 757 have exploded in mid air over the
> Persian Gulf, or perhaps been shot down by one of the
> several hundred fully-armed combat jets known to be in
> the area?
> We do not yet have any evidence to support
> this thesis, but the possibility must nonetheless be
> kept on the table. For if the Boeing 757 did indeed
> crash under conditions of strict secrecy in the Gulf
> area, it would then have to be"crashed again" for
> public consumption later. And what better way of
> disguising the true location of the crash, than to
> claim the debris was"muddled up" with the wreckage of
> Bashkirian Airlines Flight BTS2937 near Ueberlingen.
> Though entirely speculative at this stage,
> the"missing" Boeing 757, or rather its IFF
> transponder codes, would have been of immense value if
> there was deliberate intent to shoot down the Russian
> Tupolev. If an attack aircraft were to"assume the
> identity" of the Boeing by flying along the exact same
> track and using the exact same transponder codes, the
> single [sleepy] Swiss air traffic controller on duty
> would have been none the wiser.
> The Swiss controller would be expecting a
> scheduled flight on a particular flight plan,
> squawking a specific transponder code, and that would
> be the extent of his concern. Providing that someone
> flew the correct track and used the right codes there
> would be no cause for alarm or suspicion. It was
> twenty minutes past midnight local time, and air
> traffic controllers do not try to visually identify
> aircraft flying at 33,000 feet with a pair of
> binoculars. Time enough for an attack aircraft to
> launch a missile, switch off its transponder and then
> duck swiftly out of ground radar view.
> Now, if the DHL Boeing 757 really crashed
> near Ueberlingen the black box recorders would already
> have been found, and my work would be proved at best
> ill-informed and at worst a lie. Late yesterday Fox
> News claimed that all black boxes including those from
> the Boeing had been recovered and were now being
> examined by investigators.
> This is simply not true. Fifteen minutes ago
> on live real-time German satellite TV, local
> officials stated they had found the black box (1) from
> the Tupolev 154, but not from the Boeing 757. On the
> television, a line of boats could be seen slowly
> moving along Lake Constance looking for"bits of
> debris".
> If by some impossible chance [explained
> later] the Boeing black boxes had fallen into Lake
> Constance, they would have been located in hours by
> their radio signals and recovered. Lake Constance is
> up to 300 feet deep in places, but that is child's
> play compared to ocean recoveries from 2,000 feet and
> even deeper.
> So as things stand right now, 52 hours
> after the crash of Bashkirian Airlines Flight BTS2937,
> there is not a trace of wreckage from the DHL Boeing
> 757, nor any trace of its (2) black boxes. If a
> fishing boat suddenly recovers a Boeing black box
> tomorrow or the next day it's OK to be cynical. By
> then someone will almost certainly have dropped a
> spare black box in the lake to be"discovered" by the
> locals.
> Now it is time to look closely at Bashkirian
> Airlines Flight BTS2937, a much-maligned Tupolev 154M,
> which the western media is currently slagging off as a
> very dangerous"old" airliner prone to multiple
> accidents. Really? This particular 154M was less than
> seven years old, had very low airframe hours, and was
> fitted with all the modern goodies including
> state-of-the-art collision avoidance radar.
> The reason for this VIP transport is simple.
> Bashkirian Airlines Flight BTS2937 was carrying
> extremely valuable passengers, in fact it was carrying
> the sons and daughters of Russia's political oil
> elite. Yes, I did say"political oil elite", i.e.
> the very same folk who have repeatedly and stubbornly
> rebuffed blatant American multinational attempts to
> hijack Russia's oil reserves via pipelines slated for
> construction through Turkey, The Lebanon, and
> Pakistan. Make of this information what you will.
> To fully understand the enormity of the lies
> surrounding the crash, it is necessary to comprehend
> the dynamics of the two aircraft, and the resulting
> inertia and velocity at and after the point of mid air
> explosion or collision. Each aircraft weighed about
> 100 tons and was travelling at about 500 miles per
> hour.
> Believe me, if an aircraft of this weight
> explodes at 33,000 feet with a forward velocity of 500
> miles per hour, it cannot and does not drop vertically
> to the ground. As in the case of Pan Am 103, the
> uncontrolled exploded mass of aircraft debris
> continues forwards as it is falling, and I have
> prepared two maps below to illustrate this effect. The
> map on the left shows you what the media says
> happened, while the map on the right shows you what
> must really have happened. There is a huge difference
> between the two.
>
>
> Bashkirian Airlines Flight BTS2937 was
> flying roughly north-east to south-west, and in order
> to actually fall to the ground in the immediate
> vicinity of Ueberlingen, must have exploded several
> miles back along its original track. For the sake of
> simplicity I have marked the point of"mid-air
> explosion" exactly the same distance back from the
> crash site as that found in the case of Pan Am 103,
> which exploded overhead the Solway Firth, but finally
> hit the ground many miles further north in Lockerbie
> Village.
> Now see what this reality does to the
> ridiculous media claims of the DHL Boeing 757
>"colliding with the Russian jet over Lake Constance".
> Impossible! If there was a collision at all, then it
> took place several miles north-by-north-east of
> Ueberlingen, with the 100 ton Boeing 757 travelling
> roughly southeast to northwest at five hundred miles
> per hour. The resulting massive inertia would have
> ensured that most of the Boeing 757 debris came to
> earth roughly where I have shown it on the map, way to
> the north of Ueberlingen and nowhere near Lake
> Constance at all.
> This is the scientific reality of the
> situation, though skeptics might claim that the two
> jets hit exactly in the middle, thus completely
> canceling out the inertia of the other. Alas, this
> would only be partially possible if the two jets
> suffered a direct head-on collision, literally nose to
> nose, resulting in the fuselage sections of each
> aircraft being telescoped and compressed, with both
> falling to earth in a deadly eternal embrace as a
> single compact fused mass.
> That this cannot be the case, is proved by
> the crash pictures of the Tupolev at the top of this
> page. Not one piece of Tupolev 154M wreckage shows any
> sign at all of being impacted by another aircraft.
> There are no obvious cuts that could have been caused
> by the impact of another wing or tail plane leading
> edge, and there are no oblique indentations indicating
> a glancing blow. What little paint remains on the
> wreckage of Flight BTS2937, is completely unmarked.
> Furthermore, outward deformation of the fuselage
> strongly suggests an internal explosion in the cabin,
> or fuel tankage areas.
> So who really did what to who, and exactly
> why? At this stage it is impossible to say for sure,
> and the answer might take months to uncover, if it is
> uncovered at all. My sole reason for writing this
> report was to bring the grossly inaccurate media
> reportage to your attention. What you choose to do
> with this information, from this point onwards, is
> entirely your own affair.
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