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Mix-Ansicht- Vollautomatischer Todesstreifen am Gaza-Streifen? - stocksorcerer, 19.06.2004, 09:40
- es gibt keine MAUER welche all die Geschundenen aussperren könnte! - Emerald, 19.06.2004, 10:12
es gibt keine MAUER welche all die Geschundenen aussperren könnte!
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You really want to kill Osama bin Laden? Turn the job over to the Israelis. They'll get it done in a hurry. The problem is that other Muslim's will take Osama's place, and they probably already have a program for just such a contingency. The situation in Iraq and Saudi Arabia is very different from the one in Israel and Palestine. <<<<<
Nonetheless, many of you want to apply the same tactics as the Isarelis but throughout the Middle East. This will only ensure more replacement terrorists and there is no Wall to trap them. How exactly is this strategy going to work? Flail away until exhaustion? Kill everyone in the Middle East?
With respect To Palestine, Krauthammer's piece sounds good on the surface. Unfortunately it is fed from the Israeli propaganda machine and not fact. I am offering my own perspective from working on the ground in Palestine. I was just there last week and have been there quite often since 1999:
1. The Palestinian people have been defeated for a long time.
2. Krauthammer is incorrect in saying that Israel offered a piece of Jerusalem. They did not make that offer and that was a major stumbling block in the proposed settlement.
3. Sharon had no intention of turning over the West Bank and creating a viable Palestinian state. When the negotiations got close, Sharon provoked the intifada by going to the Al Aksa mosque (of all places) and publicly saying the Palestinians would never see Jerusalem. The Palestinians were furious but the"great intifada" consisted of teenagers throwing stones at tanks. IDF responded with bullets.
4. In the beginning of the Intifada from Sept 2000 to mid 2001 the Palestinian reaction was pretty muted and fortunately few Israels died--actually fewer than a dozen in the first six months. When Sharon did not get the reaction that he wanted, i.e. an excuse to invade and really destroy the peace process, he started to kill off the Palestinian Authority police force and destroyed virtually all of their offices and vehicles. This created internal chaos and Palestinian extremists reacted predictably.
5. With a new excuse in hand, IDF invaded Palestine in March 2002 creating over $100 million in civil infrastructure damage to"root out the terrorists." This further humiliated and infuriated Palestinians. More reaction by extremists and growing support among the general population resulted. Suicide bombings escalated.
6. This has all led to more"retailiatory" assasinations by the IDF and a public acceptance of the excuse to build The Wall. The plan for the Wall has been on the books for years. Now, however, big surprise, it is being used to carve out more land and ensure that the settlements are a permanent part of Israel. There are nearly 300,000 settlers in the WB, many of them U.S. citizens. Funding of settlement housing is partially funded through U.S. Housing Guarantee funds--your tax dollars at work. When the IDF invaded Ramallah they went into the municipal building and destroyed the land records so the Palestinians could not make claims on lands confiscated in the West Bank for settlements and the Wall.
7. Israel is stopping terrorism temporarily by a reign of terror of its own. The walls and fences and tactics are to keep people in so they can be trapped and often assasinated. Yes, just like the Nazis hunted down the Jews. Very successful from that point of view. Ironic isn't it? The Wall, when completed, will completely encircle the Palestinians--putting them on a reservation. One town of 40,000, Qualquiliya, is completely surrounded itself by a 25-30 foot high cement wall with gun turrets. Punishment.
8. As for the Wall's effect on the security of the Israeli population, I saw it last week near Qualquilia. Ominous indeed. But stopping terrorists? No, it is only 1/3 complete and currently not stopping anyone! Anyone can just go around it.
Result and all according to plan:
1. Defeated Palestine: No change, it already was defeated.
2. More Settlements and permanent annexation of large sections of West Bank to Israel.
3. Pretext to take more water from the Eastern Aquifer and eventually to remove Palestinian withdrawals altogether.
4. Gaza will be a give away as is the dismantling of some fictitious WB outposts--all for public consumption. BTW, only 7,000 Israeli settlers will have to be relocated from Gaza.
There is no lesson for the U.S. except the cunning and ruthlessness of Ariel Sharon. In the long run, is Israel any safer? I don't think so, since the underlying problem and humiliation will only lead to some other, more"dramatic" way for extremists to take their vengance on innocent Israelis. Sharon has played Arafat like a fiddle. Are we now dancing to the tune of Osama Bin-Laden? These are crafty folks and they learn from each other.
On top of all this, the support of the U.S. for the above and the joint cooperation (even training) between the Israeli and U.S. military in West Bank incursions and Iraq is well known throughout the region--thus feeding the militants' conspiracy theories. But they are not just theories.
I am very supportive of Israel but I can see that their approach to the Palestinian problem will ultimately fail. It seems so obvious.
With the vast majority of Arabs wanting their own peace and accepting Israel as a state (yes, they do!) it is a relatively small group of terrorists that are the problem. We, however, flailing away, are making the number greater by our reckless policies and abusive behavior.
This is the reality from on the ground. I don't know how else to get across to you that you are being fed a line of BS that is playing on the public's fears of terrorism and belief that the U.S. always does the right thing. Need a gut check here.
The military solution by itself will not solve the problem. Coupled with the recruiting power of the resentment over Palestine this will play into Al-Qaeda's hands.
PS: Israel wird eines Tages wieder ernten müssen was es gesät hat - und dies
nicht das erste Mal. Die Weltgeschichte lehrt uns alle, wer den andern nicht
respektiert wird früher oder später ein ganz schlimmes Ende nehmen. Die Welt
erfährt in diesen Wochen und Jahren wie es um sie in dieser Hinsicht steht.
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