Re: Das offene Herz des Zionismus - Herzl meets Rothschild

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Hertzl's Series of Meetings With The Rothschilds

On July 18, 1896, Theodor Hertzl met with Baron Edmond de Rothschild in Paris. Hertzl assumed that Edmond would be most favorable to his plan as he was already financing a number of Jewish settlements in Ottoman-controlled Palestine. Hertzl was received, not in the Baron's home, but in his office on the rue Laffitte, where so many humble pleaders for Rothschild's benevolence had been received before.

As he was waiting in the anteroom, one of the Baron's aides assured Hertzl that Rothschild"is a human being like ourselves." The information did not amaze Hertzl, but the servility it reflected merely increased his annoyance. The Baron came in soon after. He impressed Hertzl as an"aging youth, his movements quick and yet shy... with a long nose and an ugly, large mouth. He wore a red necktie and a white waistcoat that flapped about his thin body." Two aides were present. It seemed to Hertzl that Rothschild wanted them there for his protection"in case I turned out to be an anarchist." Rothschild himself later admitted that he had asked his aides to stay as witnesses so that Hertzl would not be able to spread lies about their conversation.

"To what extent are you familiar with my plan?" Hertzl began. The Baron lost himself in a disjointed refutation of Hertzl's program which he knew only through hearsay. His two aides nodded emphatically at his every word.
After five minutes Hertzl interrupted Rothschild, who was not used to such bluntness."You don't know what it is all about. Let me explain it to you first. A colony is a small state; a state is a big colony. You want a small state; I want to build a big colony."

Once more, as so many times in the past, Hertzl unfolded his plan for consolidating the Turkish national debt in return for a Jewish vassal state in Palestine. He told Rothschild he did not have to make up his mind immediately. He asked only for Rothschild's conditional agreement. Only in the case of success would Rothschild be asked to place himself at the head of the movement, at which time he, Hertzl, would voluntarily withdraw. If it proved impossible to conclude a transaction with the Turks, there would be no movement and no need for his leadership and support.

Rothschild listened attentively, at times with surprise. Occasionally Hertzl thought he even detected admiration in the Baron's eyes, but he was wrong. Rothschild quickly made clear that he wanted nothing to do with the project. His reasoning was simple; it echoed an astute world wise banker's practical concerns, not a naive politicians vision."It would be impossible to control the influx of the masses into Palestine," he said."The first to arrive would be a hundred fifty thousand schnorrers (beggars). They would have to be fed, presumably by me. I don't feel up to that, but perhaps you do!" he added sarcastically.

A battle of words ensued for about two hours. But Rothschild was not convinced of the feasibility of Hertzl's plan of action. Twice he repeated a proverb:"Il ne faut pas avoir les yeux plus gros que le ventre" (It does not do to have eyes bigger than one's stomach). When Rothschild said that there would be no curbing of the masses, one aide said darkly,"Yes, just what happened at Chodinko," referring to a plain outside Moscow where a frightened mass of Jewish refugees from a czarist pogrom had recently suffered great hardship.
If Rothschild considered Hertzl a megalomaniac, Hertzl for his part considered Rothschild a narrow-minded coward. Rothschild's efforts were of no use at all; in twelve years only a few hundred families had been resettled. But in Eastern Europe millions were waiting to be helped.

"You were the keystone of the entire combination," Hertzl said bitterly as he turned to leave."If you refuse, everything I have fashioned so far will collapse. I shall then be obliged to do it in a different way. I shall start a mass agitation."And," he threatened,"that way it will be even harder to keep the masses under control. I was going to turn the direction of the entire project over to you... You think it would be a disaster to operate with such great masses. Consider whether the misfortune would not be greater if your refusal forces me to set the masses in motion by uncontrollable agitation."

As necessity is the mother of invention, was it possible that these very words, uttered by Hertzl, gave birth to the necessity of the Holocaust in the mind of Baron Edmond de Rothschild on that innocent Paris summer day? Did the plan continue to unfold amidst the ensuing incessant correspondence that occurred between the Rothschild cousins on a daily basis?

Hertzl, for his part, had made a fatal assumption that the Baron was involved in colonizing Palestine for philanthropic reasons. Had he seen through this cover story, he would have realized, that by directly threatening to overrun the Jewish colony, he was threatening the security device for the world's emerging energy supply. The supply slated to fuel the impending New World Order. Hertzl had placed the Jewish masses in utter peril.
The Rothschilds would not have to wait long to determine if Hertzl would remain true to his threats...

Before he left Paris, Hertzl addressed a meeting of Jewish students. The hall was filled to overflowing with the sons and daughters of poor Jewish refugees who had escaped to France from persecution in Eastern Europe. Hertzl gave a rousing speech, urging them to organize their ranks, concluding with the words,"Je ne vous dis pas encore, marchons-je dis seulement, la jeunesse, debout!" (I am not as yet saying to you, forward march - I say only, Youth, to your feet!)

By the turn of the century, Jewish immigration would be a matter of national concern in England, as masses of poor Eastern European Jewish refugees were choking London's East End. It was during this time, in 1900, that young Winston Churchill was elected to Parliament. Churchill would learn valuable lessons in dealing with Jewish immigration through sleight of hand politics from his Rothschild mentors.

On the one hand the Rothschilds understood the necessity of legislation to restrict the flow of their Eastern European co-religionists. As early as 1891, in response to a letter received by the anti-immigration campaigner Arnold White, Nathan Rothschild wrote:"I share with you the opinion that an influx of persons of foreign birth, likely to become a public charge by reason of physical incapacity or mental disease, is most undesirable and should be discharged. I have no reason to believe that such persons come here in number sufficient to justify legislation." But the poor Eastern European Jews or Ostjuden kept coming.

The matter of Jewish immigration would be handled in a most subtle and delicate way. A stratagem was needed to pass the proper legislation while at the same time, protecting the Rothschild name.

In the 1900 election, Nathan Rothschild's agent in the East End endorsed two candidates (Sir William Eden Evans-Gordon in Stepney and David Hope Kyd in Whitechapel) who proved to be proponents of immigration control. While Nathan put on a show opposing"exclusion", these agents of his agent worked on getting the Aliens Act of 1905 passed despite Rothschild's feigned opposition.

Churchill would follow the lead of his mentor in outwardly opposing the bill, as a member of Parliament he would vote against it. This classic lesson in political stratagem would be a valuable lesson to Churchill. It would have particular value when Churchill would later be confronted with the threat of the masses of Jewish immigration into Palestine.

The Aliens Act was the result of a delicate and hotly debated process. A Royal Inquiry Commission was set up to examine the issue. Theodor Hertzl addressed this commission on July 7, 1902. Two days prior, he met with Nathan Rothschild, who had hoped to influence Hertzl's position. The meeting was described as follows:
"Rothschild received him in his office at New Court. He was a sturdy looking man of sixty-two, of medium height, with a bald head and large warm eyes, and very hard of hearing. A man of fabulous wealth, even richer than his Paris cousin, whom he disliked, he was the first Jewish peer to enter the House of Lords without first converting to the Church of England. He and his father had helped Disraeli acquire the Suez Canal for England; he was a director of the Bank of England and played an important role in public life.

Rothschild began by telling Hertzl that he was an Englishman and planned to remain one. Zionism was wrong; the great powers would never permit the Zionists to have Palestine. He very much"wished" that Hertzl would tell the commission certain things and not tell the commission certain other things. Hertzl tried to break in, but the old man was so hard of hearing he did not notice. Hertzl lost his patience and began to shout so loudly that Rothschild, astounded, held his tongue. Nothing like this had happened in years.

Hertzl cried:"I shall tell the commission what I think is proper! That has always been my custom and I shall stick to it this time too. And it is not true that the powers are against our going to Palestine. I have made Germany and Russia favorably disposed toward our cause. England, I think, would have no objections. And I am persona grata with the Sultan."
"Certainly," said Lord Rothschild,"the Sultan treats you nicely because you are Dr. Hertzl of the Neue Freie Presse."
"That is not true!" Hertzl shouted."The Neue Freie Presse does not enter into this at all! Its publishers are mortal enemies of my Jewish plan. They have not printed the word 'Zionism' in their newspaper to this day. I never spoke to the Sultan about the Neue Freie Presse."

The conversation continued for a while in this tone, leading the two men nowhere at all. Hertzl said that"charity has become a machine for suppressing cries of distress." Rothschild gasped. Then they went to an adjoining room for lunch, where they were joined by Rothschild's younger brothers, Alfred and Leopold. Leopold quarreled with Hertzl, but then invited him to his next garden party; Alfred was supercilious. Colonization was a fine thing, he said, but God Almighty, why in Palestine?"Palestine sounds too Jewish!"

After lunch the atmosphere improved somewhat. The old man was beginning to like his visitor.
"Would you like to hear my scheme now?" Hertzl asked.
"Yes," replied Rothschild. Hertzl moved his chair close to his better ear and cried,"I want to ask the British government for a colonization charter!"
"Don't say charter! The word has a bad sound right now."
"Call it whatever you like. I want to found a Jewish colony in a British possession."
"Take Uganda," Rothschild lightly suggested.
"No, I can only use this…." He did not want the others to overhear him and so wrote on a slip of paper:"Sinai Peninsula, Egyptian Palestine, Cyprus." He added, aloud,"Are you for this?"

Rothschild thought it over for a while. Then, smiling, he said,"Very much so!"

Hertzl had sensed a victory for which he had been waiting seven years. His hopes would soon be dashed, two days after Hertzl's appearance before the Royal Inquiry Commission on Immigration. Rothschild made it quite clear to Hertzl, although he was warming to his plans, he favored only a small experiment, 25,000 settlers at the most. Echoing his Paris cousin,"there was no money for more."
"I must do it on a large scale or not at all," Hertzl said.

They argued the point for a while, and no agreement was reached. Rothschild did promise that he would speak to the Colonial Secretary regarding the matter.
Hertzl's appearance, earlier in the week, before the Royal Inquiry Commission, drew an unusually large crowd. Rothschild greeted Hertzl as an old friend and introduced him to the other commissioners. In his prepared statement Hertzl announced that the flight of Eastern European Jews to the West was the inevitable result of persecution; yet their course could be diverted, to a legally recognized national Jewish home, where Jews would no longer be regarded as aliens. He was subjected to a thorough cross-examination. Major Evans-Gordon (Rothschild's agent's agent), a Conservative member of Parliament, who favored restrictions, tried to draw Hertzl out to support his cause, but Hertzl did not yield. He was opposed to legal restrictions of any kind. At the same time, he urged, the problem must be assaulted at the roots by recognizing the Jews as a people like all others, with a right to call one corner of the globe their own. The Jews needed a country not charity. Hertzl's use of the English language was halting, but his seriousness impressed the commission. The publicity following his appearance enhanced the sympathetic mood toward the Zionist aspirations in England.

Public sympathy, however, would not help Hertzl's cause as long as the Rothschilds' opposed his idea of massive unrestricted Jewish immigration disregarding financial status, skill levels, or work capacity. Hertzl's notions did not reflect those of a seasoned and pragmatic colonizer. As far as the Rothschilds were concerned, restrictions had to be in place. Immigration would have to be limited to human material considered assets; those who were judged to be mentally, physically, and/or financially fit. On this subject there could be no compromise. There was too much at stake in the emerging Middle East.

In the collective mind of the Rothschild cousins, Hertzl, together with his insane notions of colonization, had to be eliminated. His Zionist organization would eventually be infiltrated and commandeered by Rothschild agents. This would insure the safety of Rothschild plans for the fledgling colony designed to protect the oil interests in the Middle East.

By July 3, 1904, exactly two years later, Hertzl would be dead at the age of forty-four. Was this stroke of Rothschildian luck attained by Providence…or poison? Whatever the case, Hertzl's timely death allowed for the classic infiltration of his organization by agents friendly to the Rothschild agents.


Soweit mal der englische Bericht ueber die Treffen Hertzl und Rothschild.

Die CoL Rothschild ging auf Nummero Sicher, ich zitiere Wikipedia:

The Balfour Declaration of 1917 (dated November 2, 1917) was a formal but classified statement of policy by the British government on the partitioning of the Ottoman Empire in the aftermath of the World War I. The letter stated the position, agreed at a British Cabinet meeting on October 31, 1917, that the British government supported Zionist plans for a Jewish"national home" in Palestine, with the condition that nothing should be done which might prejudice the rights of existing communities there.

The"Balfour Declaration" was later incorporated into the Sèvres peace treaty with Turkey and the Mandate for Palestine. The declaration was made in a letter from Arthur James Balfour (Foreign Secretary) to Lord Rothschild (Walter Rothschild, 2nd Baron Rothschild), a leader of the British Jewish community, for transmission to the Zionist Federation, a private Zionist organization. The document is kept at the British Library.

Arthur James Balfour, 1st Earl of Balfour, KG, OM, PC (25 July 1848 - 19 March 1930) was a British Conservative statesman and Prime Minister of the United Kingdom from 1902 until 1905. The author of several influential works of philosophy, he was one of the more intellectual prime ministers of the 20th century. As Foreign Secretary he authored the Balfour Declaration of 1917, which supported the establishment of a homeland for the Jewish people in Palestine.


Der liebe gute Arthur James Balfour, er liebte die Juden vor allem in England so sehr, dass er am liebsten bereits am 3. November 1917 mit deren Export nach Palaestina begonnen haette (hat da jemand Deportation gerufen?) um an Weihnachten 1917 damit fertig zu sein, aber das war ja leider nicht moeglich, das haette ja alles viel zu viel Geld gekostet, einmal der gesamte Transport, und zum anderen, wer bezahlt die vielen Juden in Palaestina, wer bezahlt den dort bereits avisierten juedischen Staat?

Die CoL Rothschild etwa?

Mit der Balfour Declaration vom November 1917 war i.S. des juedischen Staates in Palaestina bereits alles angerichtet, es wurde nur noch der Zahlmeister fuer diese Veranstaltung gesucht, denn die CoL Rothschild war ja inzwischen sehr auf ihre grossen Vorteile der Gruendung eines juedischen Staates in Palaestina fixiert, bloss bezahlen wollten sie ihre Vorteile nicht.

Darueber hinaus war die CoL Rothschild allzeitig natuerlich nur daran interessiert, Juden nach Palaestina zu bekommen, deren finanzieller Status, berufliche Fertigkeiten und Arbeitskapazitaeten ausserhalb jeden Zweifels standen, an juedischen"Schnorrern" hatte man selbstverstaendlich kein Interesse, diesem Problem musste im richtigen Zeitraum anderweitig begegnet werden.

Dann kam der 28. Juni 1919, mit ihm das Versailler Diktat und der zukuenftige Welt-Zahlmeister Deutsches Reich, und das Schicksal nahm seinen weiteren Verlauf.

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