-->Ich muss gestehen, dass ich `Welten im Zusammenstoss' nicht gelesen habe, sondern nur `Vom Exodus zu Koenig Echnaton', was mir gereicht hat. Ich kommentiere also hier Ihre eigenen Angaben und nicht etwa Velikovskys Buch.
Einmal ist es in meinen Augen vollkommen willkuerlich, von all den ueberlieferten Wundergeschichten gerade den langen Tag des Josua ernstzunehmen. Warum glauben wir nicht auch an die 43200 Jahre dauernde Herrschaft des Sumererkoenigs En-me-en-lu<sub>2</sub>-an-na? Oder die Heldentaten des Horatius Cocles? Oder an das, was die Russen uns an Legenden ueber das Leben des Ilja von Murom berichten? Warum sind es ausgerechnet die Legenden des AT, fuer die sich Velikovski eine wissenschaftliche Deutung zurechtzureimen versucht? Die Antwort sollte eigentlich auf der Hand liegen.
Zu den Auswirkungen der Aenderung der Rotationsgeschwindigkeit der Erde siehe diesen Text, und zwar den Kommentar zu p. 43-44. Leider ist nicht klar, gegen welches Buch Velikovskis der Text sich richtet. Auf alle Faelle wird die Frage der geaenderten Rotationsgeschwindigkeit angesprochen. Ein anderer Punkt koennte sich auf etwas beziehen, was in Ihrer Zusammenfassung erwaehnt ist:
Dann röstete brennendes Petroleum aus im Schweif vorhandenen Kohlenhydraten Mann und Maus.
Velikovski scheint gelegentlich Carbohydrates (Kohlenhydrate, z. B. Zucker, Staerke, Zellulose) mit Hydrocarbons (Kohlenwasserstoffe, z. B. Methan, Ethan, Benzol etc.) zu verwechseln. Im Deutschen ist der Unterschied zwischen den beiden Worten auffaelliger. Siehe die folgenden Stellen aus dem obigen Velikovski-Verriss zu dieser moeglichen Verwechselung:
}"Has any testimony been preserved that during the many years of gloom
} carbohydrates precipitated?"
} [page 134]
Wait one. Back around page 55 this stuff was hydrocarbons. Am I to
take it that Velikovsky cannot tell the difference between gasoline and
sugar?
These must be the same"intelligent molecules" he discusses later
in reference to the problems associated with detecting hydrocarbons
in the atmosphere of venus. Somehow, the hydrocarbons hit the
ground but the carbohydrates hit the people. Neat trick!
....
}"These ever recurrent earthshocks in a country as rich in oil as
}Mesopotamia also caused eruptions of earth deposits:":The earth threw
}oil and asphalt," observed the official astrologers, as the effect of
}an earthquake.
} [page 275]
Earlier this stuff was suppose to be oil descending from the comet.
His story changes to match what he wants it to say. Not to worry -
he has it swapping back and forth and coexisting (though not delivered
at the same time/place together) all thorough his works.
"If the petroleum that poured down..."
}[page 369]
Again, this confusion between hydrocarbons (petroleum) and carbohydrates
("manna") appears. Velikovsky appears to add the lack of knowledge of
chemistry to his lack of knowledge of astrophysics.
}"The fact that methane has been discovered on Jupiter- the only known
}constituents of its atmosphere are the poisonous gases methane and
}ammonia - makes it rather probable that it has petroleum.
} [page 369]
Unfortunately, the major constituents of the atmosphere of Jupiter
are hydrogen and helium, neither of which appear too abundant on Venus.
And the presence of methane, a VERY simple molecule, says nothing about
the presence of petroleum extraterrestrially. What you do is take
whatever Carbon happened to be there and chemically combine it with
the hydrogen that is EVERYWHERE. Presto! Methane.
}"... Venus - and therefore Jupiter - is populated by vermin; this organic
}life can be the source of petroleum."
} [page 369]
HEHEHEHEHEHehehehehehe.
First, Venus has been directly visited on the surface by landers, in the
air by balloons, and from low orbit. NO indication of such"vermin"
exist.
Just for fun, let's say"vermin" existed on Jupiter. Now, given that
Venus is ejected at over 60 km/sec (Jupiter's escape velocity) and
less than 67 km/sec (vector addition of 60 kps jupiter escape and 20 kps
solar escape), which is WAY above the speed at which meteorites land
on earth, and the atmosphere of Jupiter is THICK, what's keeping these
things from being baked off as it exits by"reentry" (going up instead
of down) heat?
BTW: What mystical mechanism ejects a planetary at 60-67 kilometers
per second from a very select site (in the plane of the elliptic, on
the"back side" of the orbit so it will spiral inward)? We are talking
10^41 ergs here. That is about 9 1/2 months worth of the sun's _entire_
energy output, which suddenly is released in one moment!
Man sollte sich den zitierten Verriss in seiner vollen Laenge zu Gemuete fuehren, es ist sehr erheiternd zu lesen. Vielleicht nur diese Kostproben (wobei freilich nicht klar ist, ob die in dem Text zitierten Stellen von Velikoski selbst oder von einem seiner Anhaenger stammen):
}"... the presence of oxygen in the terrestrial atmosphere is unexplained."
} [page 16]
Perhaps the concept of"photosynthesis" (can you say 'plants'?) was foreign
to him. Most other people have no problem explaining it at all. In fact,
the time when this"pollution" occurred has been dated and is the first
really big extinction as the non-oxygen bacteria got wiped out by the
waste product of the plants. We are looking at around 1.4 to 1.5
billion years ago.
...
} [rain of cosmic flies, ants, and other critters]
} [page 183-187]
Really odd. This species, which is adapted to breath a nitrogen-oxygen
mixture as an adult evolved in an environment that had neither oxygen
nor liquid water? And would not it be the case that after reentry any
insect would greatly resemble an ash? And I find it unsubstantiated
that, on earth, flies are separated biologically from every other insect.
They seem to match proteins, DNA, general physical structure,...
}"The ability of many small insects... and to live in an atmosphere
} devoid of oxygen..."
} [page 187]
Not that I know of. Not to mention the minor detail that a metabolism
which obviously runs in an oxydizing atmosphere just would not make it
in a neutral (like Venus and Mars) or reducing (like Jupiter) atmosphere.
...
}" Pull, torsion, and displacement were responsible for mountain building,
} too." [thinks mars & venus pulled mountains up}
} [pages 277-278]
First, that model does nothing to explain the distribution of the
mountain ranges along the lines where the continental plates collide.
Second, to have enough tidal pull to distort the rigid components of the
surface permanently by miles (i.e. so far that will not even settle
after miles of displacement) you would first strip the hydrosphere and
atmosphere off the planet.
Third: You cannot focus gravity from a planet onto a small point at a
distance. The entire earth would become oblate, and but not just select
points. In fact, this effect is observed on a number of moons, as they
have become tidally deformed while they were plastic.
Finally, we have a fairly simple, straightforeward, and displayable
explanation. That isn't it.
....
[Isiah predict time of return of mars]
} [page 307]
Very good. Isiah could solve the full three-body problem with electric
and magnetic forces added. Wish he had included the formulation in the
Old Testament...
Gruss
JeFra
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