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zani

22.12.2003, 19:04

Alle Stöme führen nach China (mL)

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-->Guten Abend

Und dann geht bald auch die Luftfahrtindustrie nach China.

Wieviele Westländlerl können von Patenten leben?

Production of New Jet Takes off

Chinese airplane manufacturers hope to make a big splash in the global aviation industry with a new made-in-China regional jet that went into production over the weekend.

Production of the ARJ21 started simultaneously at factories in Shanghai, Xi'an, Chengdu and Shenyang on Saturday.

By 2005, the Shanghai facility will assemble the finished planes out of parts produced in factories across the country, according to officials.

China Aviation Industry Corp I, a state-owned manufacturer of both civilian and military planes, set up a subsidiary -- AVICI Commercial Aircraft Co Ltd -- to make the regional jet, which it says will cost 10 percent less than regional jets produced by foreign rivals.

The ARJ21, which stands for"advanced regional jet for the 21st century," is designed to seat between 78 and 85 passengers in a basic model and 98 to 105 people in an enlarged model, according to the company.

A test plane should be ready by 2006, with the company expected to get the aircraft licensed by the end of 2007 and begin delivering finished jets to customers by the start of 2008.

To date, ACAC has received 35 orders for the jet, but Vice General Manager Chen Jin said the company expects to sell about 500 of the planes over the next 20 years.

"We will explore the overseas market in the near future. As the plane is designed to fly under terrible geographic conditions like high temperatures or plateaus in China's western regions, it'll suit countries in Southeast Asia and South America," said ACAC official Wang Wenqi.

"Though we haven't received any overseas orders yet, foreign customers are quite interested in the plane as many said it is very spacious and comfortable at the Paris Air Show this year," Wang said.

ACAC is still looking for help financing the project and may begin looking for private or foreign investors.

ACAC says it spent 5 billion yuan to develop the jet, with the government putting up about half of that money.

(Shanghai Daily December 22, 2003)

<ul> ~ Production of new jet takes off</ul>

Bob

22.12.2003, 19:20

@ zani

Re: Japan wird irgendwie auch immer merkwürdiger

-->Es gibt also doch noch merkwürdige Dinge auf der Welt...

Honda Says Small Business Jet Flight Tests Successful
Tuesday December 16, 6:05 am ET

TOKYO -(Dow Jones)- Honda Motor Co. said Tuesday it has developed a compact business jet on its own and succeeded in initial flight tests of the jet in the U.S.
This is the first made-in-Japan airplane in nearly 45 years and Honda is the first Japanese car-maker to complete airplane development without technological or money assistance from the government.

The jet project wasn't based on a certain business plan, but it was the dream of the company's founder Soichiro Honda who launched a vision of manufacturing aircraft in the company's internal magazine in 1962, a Honda spokesman said.

Honda hopes to start the aircraft business in the future, but it has no concrete plans at present, the spokesman said.

Honda said the small business jet dubbed"HondaJet," which is equipped with its"HF118" jet engines, is the first aircraft to be outfitted with a Honda engine.

Honda began research into compact business jets in 1986, using engines provided by other manufacturers.

The Japanese automaker said the new jet is scheduled to undergo about 200 hours of flight-testing to demonstrate and verify the performance characteristics of various systems in the jet.

The jet is 12.5 meters long, with wings spanning 12.2 meters. Its maximum flight distance is about 2000 kilometers.

The jet achieved fuel efficiency over 40% higher than conventional aircraft.

crosswind

22.12.2003, 20:33

@ Bob

Nochmals kalter Kaffe...

-->>Es gibt also doch noch merkwürdige Dinge auf der Welt...
>
>Honda Says Small Business Jet Flight Tests Successful
>Tuesday December 16, 6:05 am ET
>
>TOKYO -(Dow Jones)- Honda Motor Co. said Tuesday it has developed a compact business jet on its own and succeeded in initial flight tests of the jet in the U.S.
>This is the first made-in-Japan airplane in nearly 45 years and Honda is the first Japanese car-maker to complete airplane development without technological or money assistance from the government.
>
> The jet project wasn't based on a certain business plan, but it was the dream of the company's founder Soichiro Honda who launched a vision of manufacturing aircraft in the company's internal magazine in 1962, a Honda spokesman said.
>Honda hopes to start the aircraft business in the future, but it has no concrete plans at present, the spokesman said.
>Honda said the small business jet dubbed"HondaJet," which is equipped with its"HF118" jet engines, is the first aircraft to be outfitted with a Honda engine.
>Honda began research into compact business jets in 1986, using engines provided by other manufacturers.
>The Japanese automaker said the new jet is scheduled to undergo about 200 hours of flight-testing to demonstrate and verify the performance characteristics of various systems in the jet.
>The jet is 12.5 meters long, with wings spanning 12.2 meters. Its maximum flight distance is about 2000 kilometers.
>The jet achieved fuel efficiency over 40% higher than conventional aircraft.

Handelt sich meines Wissens um eine Kopie Cessna CJ1, seit mehr als fünf Jahren in Produktion. Das Triebwerk lehnt sich an die William-Triebwerke an. Deren Technologie ist so alt wie die Cruise-Missiles. Treibstoffeinsparung von 40% - da hätte ich gerne einmal Zahlen. In meinen Augen lächerlich, wo seit Jahren im einstelligen Prozentbereich um Effizienz gefeilscht wird. Aber vielleicht hilft die aufgehende Sonne.

Gruss cw

Bob

22.12.2003, 22:10

@ crosswind

Re: Link zu dem Flieger. Sieht anders aus als diese Cessna.

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http://www.japancorp.net/Article.Asp?Art_ID=6144

Wieso sind denn die Flügel so dünn?

Tokyo (JCNN) - Honda Motor Co., Ltd. (TSE: 7267) announced yesterday that the HondaJet, its new experimental compact business jet equipped with Honda-developed HF118 jet engines, successfully completed initial flight tests this month at Piedmont Triad Airport in North Carolina, US.

Compared with conventional jets, this experimental aircraft offers superior fuel efficiency and remarkable cabin space. The engines are optimally positioned on the upper surface of the main wing in a unique configuration that reduces drag at high speeds and increases cruising efficiency. This layout also eliminates the need for structural engine mounts in the fuselage, creating over 30% more cabin space than in a conventional aircraft.

The fuselage is a compact and lightweight co-cured carbon composite structure, yet realizes the largest cabin in its class. The main wing, which features aluminum skin panels formed from single sheets of aluminum that provide a smoother surface than conventional wing configurations, along with Honda's proprietary turbulence-reducing laminar airfoil, work together to significantly improve aerodynamic performance. Additional drag-reducing technologies include the fuselage nose, which is designed to generate laminar flow. These features, in combination with Honda's fuel-efficient HF118 Turbofan Engine, achieve fuel efficiency over 40% higher than conventional aircraft.

This experimental aircraft is also fitted with a state-of-the-art glass cockpit with an integrated avionics system, as well as an autopilot function, anti-icing equipment, and other systems. The jet is scheduled to undergo approximately 200 hours of flight-testing to demonstrate and verify the operability and performance characteristics of its various systems.

Honda began research into compact business jets in 1986, using engines provided by other manufacturers. The HF118 Turbofan Engine-equipped HondaJet experimental compact jet is the first Honda-developed aircraft to be outfitted with a Honda engine, a significant milestone for the company and the industry.

crosswind

22.12.2003, 22:25

@ Bob

Ja, der sieht in der Tat anders aus lach,...

-->das grundlegende Konzept wurde doch vom CitationJet übernommen und noch ein paar Winglets drangeklebt. Das Triebwerk wurde meines Wissens ursprünglich auf einem uralt-CitationJet getestet. Und noch was zur grandiosen Steigerung der Effizienz: 2000 Kilometer sind 200 mehr als die uralt-Citation I bereits 1970 schaffte. Nur schafft der CitationJet II heute 1700 nautische Meilen (übrigens alles Flugzeuge unter 5.7 Tonnen, das zählt). Wer möchte da in dieser Klasse so eine Mühle kaufen?

auf dass er einmal weiter fliege

cw

Bob

22.12.2003, 22:57

@ crosswind

Re: Ja, der sieht in der Tat anders aus lach,... - weitere specs

-->>das grundlegende Konzept wurde doch vom CitationJet übernommen und noch ein paar Winglets drangeklebt. Das Triebwerk wurde meines Wissens ursprünglich auf einem uralt-CitationJet getestet. Und noch was zur grandiosen Steigerung der Effizienz: 2000 Kilometer sind 200 mehr als die uralt-Citation I bereits 1970 schaffte. Nur schafft der CitationJet II heute 1700 nautische Meilen (übrigens alles Flugzeuge unter 5.7 Tonnen, das zählt). Wer möchte da in dieser Klasse so eine Mühle kaufen?
>auf dass er einmal weiter fliege
>cw

Seating 6 (2 crew + 4 passengers or 1 + 5)
Engine Honda HF118 Turbofan Engine
Maximum take-off thrust (kgf (lbf)) 757 (1,670) x 2
Maximum take-off weight (kgf (lbf)) 4,173 (9,200)
Length x width x height (m (ft)) 12.5 x 12.2 x 4.1 (41.1 x 39.9 x 13.2)
Maximum speed (km/hr (knots)) 778 (420)
Service ceiling (m(ft)) 12,497 (41,000)
Range (km (nm)) 2,037 (1,100)
Fuel consumption (km/kg (nm/lb)) 3.3 (0.8), was verbraucht denn die Cessna?
Take-off distance (m (ft)) 807 (2,647)
Landing distance(m (ft)) 694 (2,277)

Ventura 23.12.2003, 10:01 @ Bob	sieht eher wie eine copy der ursprünglichen Diamond, dann Beeachjet aus (owT)
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crosswind 22.12.2003, 20:27 @ zani	Five years behind.. und
	-->woher kommen Triebwerke und Avionic? Don't worry. Das Ding soll erst mal fliegen und dann ZERTIFIZIERT werden. Die Brasilianer produzieren sowas heute schon. Gruss cw

Alle Stöme führen nach China (mL)

Re: Japan wird irgendwie auch immer merkwürdiger

Nochmals kalter Kaffe...

Re: Link zu dem Flieger. Sieht anders aus als diese Cessna.

Ja, der sieht in der Tat anders aus *lach*,...

Re: Ja, der sieht in der Tat anders aus *lach*,... - weitere specs

sieht eher wie eine copy der ursprünglichen Diamond, dann Beeachjet aus (owT)

Five years behind.. und

Ja, der sieht in der Tat anders aus lach,...

Re: Ja, der sieht in der Tat anders aus lach,... - weitere specs